North Korean Defector BASHES Clinton's Naive, Failed Policy on Pyongyang; Praises Bush Approach

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[cibco]

Uncle Ho, Pol Pot, Nelson Mandela, Robert Mugabe, and more. They took over societies that aren't as "democratic" as ours so it didn't take as long. This country is the biggest chalenge.

The Marxists in this country know they have to do it incrementaly and are doing it as fast as they can. The loss of individual freedoms in this country the last 20 yrs is unreal. The increase in rules and regulations is becoming a burden to business and individuals.

To have an organization like Democratic Socialists of America, in Congress, should raise some eyebrows. With a copy of The Communist Manifesto in hand, pay a visit to their website sometime and compare it to their mission statement.

[sal002]

As I recall, there is only one actual Socialist in Congress (from Vermont or something).

Nelson Mandela created a communist state? There are differences between Pol Pot and Uncle Ho (didn't Vietnam invade Cambodia)???

[cibco]

There around 50 socialists in Congress. Try http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/689499/posts for a start.

Read up on Mandela, Pot and Ho. Mandela made no secret of his Marxist views. The "Press" never reported his real views.

Sure VN invaded Cambodia. What's that got to do with anything?

[sal002]

Sorry...but I am new here...I don't take posts as evidence for anything ;P.

I know the ANC had early Marxist views (which is why, I recall we were reluctant to ever support them). However, what truly representative political party in the poverty stricken areas of Africa didn't at one time consider a political movement whose goals were the eradication of poverty (although the movement failed miserably).

However, is South Africa now Communist? And Pol Pot and Ho Chih Minh are very different individuals and had conflicting viewpoints. One believed in erasing all modern influences (a sort of Amish with guns). and large mass murder. The other believed in the state first and stomping out dissent, but not mass murders on the level that occurred on the killing fields.

[cibco]

"However, is South Africa now Communist? And Pol Pot and Ho Chih Minh are very different individuals and had conflicting viewpoints. One believed in erasing all modern influences (a sort of Amish with guns). and large mass murder. The other believed in the state first and stomping out dissent, but not mass murders on the level that occurred on the killing fields."

Search the FR archives and go to the library. SA is getting close to the commie ideal. You do know that all communist leaders don't always agree? Lenin and Trotsky had a big clash on how to build paradise. Trotsky was in Mexico when he "accidently" took an axe to the head.

It's late so Good... Night.

[Sabertooth]

Here ya go...

Got something else for you... hang on.

[Sabertooth]

Check this out...

In pictures: Mrs Albright's visit
Monday, 23 October, 2000, 18:33 GMT 19:33 UK
North Korea is taking the first steps towards a new era after five decades of hostility, with a visit by US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

A smiling Kim Jong-il said he was "really happy" to meet a US official for the first time

But the two looked tense during the official photocall

Mrs Albright delighted children by joining in their dance at a welcome ceremony

The US guest was taken along largely deserted streets on a tour of the capital

Sailors performed a dance routine with flags for the North Korean leader and Mrs Albright at a stadium in Pyongyang

Thousands of dancers celebrated the US secretary of state's visit

Across the border in South Korea broadcasters broke into their schedules to show live pictures of Mrs Albright's historic visit

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Can you imagine Colin Powell standing up in a stadium and dancing for a dictator's charade parade of children?

[ellery]

Wow -- great article. Thanks for the translation!

[Grampa Dave]

Wow your additions made your other great pictures even greater.

The new pictures are great.

No, I can't imagine SOS Powell dancing anywhere for this murdering little dictator.

I would love to be an invisible guy if Powell ever got to get Yo Kim Chia Head in a private room and no one knew that Powell was there.

Thanks again.

You will have create one of your great poems about this meeting between Half Bright and Yo Kim Chia Head and blend it with the pictures that you have collected.

[Grampa Dave]

Here are the pictures you ordered courtesy of Sabertooth.

See replies #46 and 48

[AmericanInTokyo]

This is quite natural for Korean language contexts (or other Asian languages) for that matter. Westerners' skin usually crawls when they face contradictions in a single sentence or paragraph. He was just setting the tone in a polite way about Clinton, then goes on to show that actually they were most foolish and dangerous in their naive dealings with the DPRK. You don't need to read it so literally.

[Just mythoughts]

"skin usually crawls" lol anything Clinton does bring that reaction.

Thanks for the explanation, for me it was a contradiction.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Yes. I agree. It was a contradiction.

After some years of living in East Asia, I reconciled mutual contradictions a long time ago and determined them to be parts of the whole truth, even if contradictory (the whole 'yin' & 'yang' kind of thing). An Asian business colleague can preface his "I think I'll just pass on the cocktails in the lobby bar and go get some sleep if you don't mind", even after he has just told you that he is very well rested and full of energy after the long flight and happy to have landed in America).

That is why I tend to agree that in an Asian context, as with another Freeper here, that we can sign a meaningless bilateral piece of paper with the Chia-ites, and yet behind the scenes, continue to do everything to subvert Kim Jong il, create/nurture/fortify a domestic fifth column there. (My only concern would be the larger, Western ramifications of such double dealings). We could seek to remove Kim Jong il by social upheaval, and/or by coup d'etat betrayal by the inner circles, by interests that could be controlled by the West and eventually co-opted into a larger plan of peaceful, staged reunification with the South. This, IMHO, would be much more advisable than a full scale, head-on military onslaught by US forces against Pyongyang (the Korean People's Army and particularly their thousands of suicide commandos will not throw down their weapons and run like the Republican Guards)--although of course we should never take THAT option off the US-DPRK table, either.

[Just mythoughts]

So is this where the "depends on the meaning of is" comes from? Was this code word for the Chinese.

There has been enough double dealing, secret agreements done by too many of our leaders that has created many of our problems.

While I agree that "destroying" them should not be first choice there should be no ability for them to think in terms of contradictions, of it being the very thing we will do if they keep messing with their nuclear toys.

I don't believe that they have a problem understanding straight talk, we can give them options without contradictions.

Thank you for your insight.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Is say, 'fool them' and 'confuse them' and knock them off balance every chance we get. Since our last two Asian wars were lost (or certainly not won), perhaps we can win the next Asian war by finally becoming 'Asian' ourselves.

[RS]

"Signing pieces of paper, especially ones that mean nothing, are how leftist appeasers do business"

Exactly right - That kind of thinking is what got us into a lot of this mess -
Remember when Al Gore signed the Kyoto accords ? ...
... or when his boss signed that peace plan that they are now trying to use as a "pardon" for the terrorist ?

[RS]

"That is why I tend to agree that in an Asian context, as with another Freeper here, that we can sign a meaningless bilateral piece of paper with the Chia-ites,"

I know exactly what you mean "in an Asian context", but while the paper means nothing to the other side in this case ( they know how the game is played also ) everything we do will be looked at and pointed to the next time we make agreements with, say Peru, or Kuwait or Ireland.

The only gain from this would be for the other side, who can show it as a sign that they "stared into the face of the tiger, and he backed away".
Pyongyang Pete will get more ammunition either way.

( got to buy you a drink next time over !)

[ez]

I think the Bush Administration will eventually do exactly what I am saying.

You missed my point. Your ideas scream "Weakness." Bush is not weak like clinton. There will be no non-aggression pact.