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To: gore3000
The switch, as usual.

You mean the switch from an interesting discussion to yet another recitation of the exact same feeble, execrable, canned arguments you recycle endlessly without showing the least sign of even enough rudimentary comprehension and courtesy to prevent your deponents from having to explain the same point again and again and again and again...?

We are not talking about fitness cost in the beginning of life,

We were, in just this previous set of posts, in fact.

and the article does not deal with the beginning of life either.

It most certainly does. As does any Alife experiment. The game of life, like the experiment of this article, ramps us up to Turing machines, from, essentially, a silicon substrate embedded with a regularly ordered matrix of charged transistor storage devices. If you can get to a turing machine, you can get to self-reproducing automata, as the Game of Life demonstrates right in front of your eyes, if you bother to look. If you can do it in silicon, you can certainly do it in sulpher bubbles, or clay silicates, or any of the dozen or so candidates for beginnnings that have been floating around. Once you have enduring self-reproducing automata, it is just a matter of mutating your brains out for millions of years to replace the silicon substrate with something else, just like the early amphibians gave up the ocean for the land, just like the early aerobics gave up on nitrogen for oxygen, just like the bisexual multicellulars gave up sucking nutrients from pond scum for hunting down and killing huge mobile packages of nutrients.

1,029 posted on 05/09/2003 11:54:31 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh
The switch, as usual.-me-

You mean the switch from an interesting discussion to yet another recitation of the exact same feeble,

As usual, when caught playing games the evolutionists insult. You completely twisted my words around from a discussion of evolution to one on abiogenesis to which they did not apply.

What we were discussing was the fitness cost of non-working functions and organs which evolutionists are forced to assume in order to make their theory work.The problem for evolution is to slowly, gradually, in small steps create a totally new organ, function, etc. with each single step making the organism more fit. You do not wish to discuss this since such is impossible and the article completely avoids the question of fitness cost for that very reason.

1,245 posted on 05/12/2003 5:02:23 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: donh
If you can get to a turing machine, you can get to self-reproducing automata,

The problem with turing machines as the source of life from non-life is that only intelligent designers build turing machines. The only intelligent designer possible at the time life began is God.

1,246 posted on 05/12/2003 5:04:52 AM PDT by gore3000
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