H. J. RES. 11 Repeal Amendment 22 U.S. Constitution

Thomas.Loc.Gov ^ | Rep. Jos, E. Serrano (D-NY)

[mabelkitty]

WELCOME TO FREE REPUBLIC.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET


Anti-U.S. =

Calling for U.S. Regime Change in -Time of War- as my U.S. 7th Cavalry was Rolling for Bagdhad for FREEDOM

Anti-U.S. =

Mirroring everything HO CHI MINH was doing abroad, here at Home, to defeat FREEDOM for a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War =

HILLARY RODHAM
BILL CLINTON
WALTER CRONKITE
JOHN KERRY

Anti-U.S. then = Anti US now


Signed:..A Witness/Vet-U.S. 7th Cavalry's Opening Days of the Vietnam War 1965-66

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NEVER FORGET

[Joy Angela]

Thanks for the ping to this important topic!

[Joy Angela]

The Conspiring Clintons
will NEVER go away.

Even their daughter carries
the MARK...

Chelsea Victoria Clinton
"Shall-See Victory"

[Joy Angela]

Hillary, Hillary
She thinks of
EVERYTHING.

[Agamemnon]

Can you fairly say that someone has failed at something if they didn't try in the first place?

That is about the most certifiably complete definition of failure that there is.

[sal002]

"Calling for U.S. Regime Change in -Time of War- as my U.S. 7th Cavalry was Rolling for Bagdhad for FREEDOM"

I guess I must be Anti-American. I publicly urged people to vote for someone other than / possible impeachment of Clinton when he used the bombing of Iraq (as well as armed conflict in Kosovo) as a diversion to his increasingly failed domestic policies.

BTW, welcome back state-side...

[sal002]

"Mirroring everything HO CHI MINH was doing abroad, here at Home, to defeat FREEDOM for a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War"

I'm kinda curious about this. Was John Kerry involved in Armed insurrection after he came back from the war? And didn't he come back after the military coup (idiotically backed by the Kennedy Administration) that replaced a democratically elected President in South Vietnam for a military junta? If any J.F.K. from MA should be accussed of working to subvert freedom in South Vietnam, it should be Kennedy and his backing of the assassination of Diem.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...Your JFK vs. DIEM Point is most well taken.

...I remember seeing Madame NHU "Dragon Lady" DIEM in person at the Statler Hilton as she came thru Los Angeles on her way to her Scantuary in Paris, France.

...She stated then that JFK will pay for her husband's Death in Vietnam.

...JFK was assasinated just weeks later.

[sal002]

I think Vietnam provided a fundamental example that is still at issue today. When we say "freedom" do we mean individual liberty, or the right of self-determination? As I recall, the average Vietnamese citizen seemed more sympathic to the North (with some serious exceptions), especially given Ho Chi Minh's earlier history as a "freedom" fighter against the French colonialists.

Iraq raises the same issues - what happens if the majority of the Iraqi populace wants a Islamic theocracy (where individual liberty to religious who one wants) is suppressed? What if the Communist Party in Iraq keeps on gaining strength and demands some share of power?

To me freedom means individual liberty - but if we aren't careful, self-determination can easily override individual liberty.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...Your Self-Determination vs Individual Liberty Point is well taken ..for Events in the last Century.

...After the Events of September 11, 2001 we have been living in an new -Century of FREEDOM- that now forces the Free to bring Demcoracy and Freedom to the enslaved for everyone's own Safety ..thru Peace.

...Your surmising that the Common Man in a Free South Vietnam wanted HO CHI MINH's Communism to enslave them is a factual error. The week after we left them to their own fate in the South in 1973, just as the Communist Soviet Union was giving the North $6 Billion in Military Aid for a near future Final Solution, the ARVN's (South Vietnam Army) took over 5,000 dead in a week fighting Communism.

...The City of Quang Tri was also FLATTENED that week while fighting against Communism.

...When the Democrats in Congress engineered its cut off of U.S. Funding for the South's Replacement Guns, Gun Ammo, Artillery, Artilery Ammo, Helicopters, Helicopters Parts, Jet Fighters, Jet Fighter Parts...

...the South's Fate was sealed, as the Communist Soviet Union's $6 Billion to HO CHI MINH brought the North's Tanks and Artillery into the South.

...I have since been told in person by former fighters from the North, who had fled to America after the Fall of Saigon (!), that they fought because HO CHI MINH told them that everything would become better in the North (Already Bad) and the South when Vietnam was unified under Communism.

.."HO CHI MINH Lied to us" they say .."As everything got much worse instead for both after the Fall of Saigan and we had to leave Vietnam"..!!!

FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM
FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM
FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM
SOON

[sal002]

Different timeframe...I think early on in the "Police Action" during the Kennedy Administration the reason we never had the 'election' to determine which side would rule Vietnam was that we were convinced that the North would win. Ho Chi Minh was a hero early on....we even supported him during WWII.. Of course, as often happens, those with power become insane. And he is no exception...

I did say there were exceptions - there were many South Vietnamese who would rather of died (and did) than live under the North. Some of them, died because of their military duty to protect their home from attackers.(rather than some direct aversion to North Vietnam). But I think overall, why the Vietnam War was so difficult was it wasn't a battle between a glorious democratic government that protected human rights and a communist dictatorship run by some idiot. It was a battle for the lesser of evils, and the more evil was represented by a man that was once considered a hero. Had the South been a true democracy where individual liberty was protected, the war would have been over in 1962.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...Despite the revolving Governments in South Vietnam the Common Man fought hard to repel a Communist Take-Over of their FREEDOM for many years.

...HO CHI MINH was backed by us during World War II because his Viet Minh Forces were fighting a Japanese Occupation of S.E. Asia.
Immediately after that we backed France's re-colonization of S.E. Asia, against HO CHI MINH.

...The Original Invasion of Vietnam began, and thus its INSTABILITY, when a convoluted French Communism invaded a young College Student HO CHI MINH's mind in Paris, France during the 1920's ..that then was carried to S.E. Asia for HELL TO PAY.

...HO CHI MINH was a "Hero" for fighting Vietnam's occupiers ...but was also feared as much for his eliminating his fellow Vietnamese who opposed him as he mislead all thru his Communist LIES ("is-is").

...As a College Student myself in the early 1960's I remember the Vietnam-Laos-Combodia Era that JFK had to grapple with. His 1st Presidential TV News Conference shortly after becoming President was all about the Communist Invasion of Laos.

...And you are right, it is one Big Gray Area... one that isn't going to clear up anytime soon, I feel, because of JFK's Sudden Death in 1963.

...Some say things would have worked better in South Vietnam if JFK had left President DIEM in power, others say that DIEM was then about to strike a deal with the North Vietnamese Communists to occupy his South "In Peace." Who knows..?

...The only thing for certain here is Geography, with Communist China and the Communist Soviet Union's backing of HO CHI MINH in such a way that we were prevented from invading him back in the North, or stopping him cold along the HO CHI MINH Invasion Trails of Laos and Cambodia. The last thing we wanted was Communist China pulling another Korean War Invasion on us, thus our Physical Limitations were always there for LBJ and NIXON to deal with thru our Bombing.

...I sure miss not having JFK around anymore to ask questions about this, don't you..?

[El Gato]

Nothing wrong with the 22nd amendment....except it didn't go far enough. It did not limit Congressional terms, nor did it provide for any sort of check on the Judicial Branch. I wouldn't limit Judicial terms, but I might have federal judges and Justices stand for "continuence" elections, as is done in some states, even those that do not elect judges/Justices in the first place. Of course Congress is never going to vote to limit their own terms, and a Constitutional Convention is a little too scary to contemplate. The last time that was tried, they threw out the Articles of Confederation, and gave us a much stronger central government, as delinated by the Constitution. I don't think even Hamiliton figured it would grow into the monster it has become. Probably the only way to trim it back, without throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be to repeal the 16th amendment, and starve the beast.

[bonesmccoy]

you forgot Patsy Mink.

[onedoug]

"We are honored
to have had the opportunity
to serve our country
under difficult circumstances."

-- Jeremiah Denton

[philman_36]

Please, enlighten me.

[Jim Noble]

I would support repeal of Amendment XXII if it applied only to Presidents elected after ratification.

In general, term limits are a bad idea.

[bonesmccoy]

Mink was the Democrat Congresswoman from Hawaii who created Title IX.

She contracted a case of chicken pox during the early fall of 2002.

Her serious condition was known by Hawaii Democratic Party leadership, but was not stated publicly until AFTER the deadline for new candidates to be named for the November 2002 election.

Sadly, she died a few days prior to the election.

Ironically, the democrats, rather than naming a candidate that could actually fill the post, chose to create a special election process.

The election process was won by Ed Case, a lawyer who is related to Steve Case (of AOL infamy).

[philman_36]

Ironically, the democrats, rather than naming a candidate that could actually fill the post, chose to create a special election process.
The election process was won by Ed Case, a lawyer who is related to Steve Case (of AOL infamy).
At least they didn't put a dead person up for election...or that is how it sounds anyway.