Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom

Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

[r9etb]

pounding on a door and demanding entry.

According to the school -- and that's bad enough.

It's even worse, though: Mott claims that he simply walked in to a building he was supposed to enter.

[f.Christian]

Liberal atheist brainwashing (( Truth // history // conservatism )) -- indoctrination (( lies // evolution // ideology )) doesn't bother you ...

you like -- want it ..."total" -- "only" * * ... forced !

... * * ... fr patrick henry // cult !

[ladylib]

And did your neighbor inform the principal, the school board, and the other parents of the unprofessional attitude of the teacher?

[Travis McGee]

Don't be silly. We have only heard of anti-US, anti-Bush, pro-Fidel and Che posters on the wall, nothing else.

To guess out of the clear blue at anyhing else only makes you sound foolish.

[r9etb]

Yup. We have no idea about this, actually. We read about a couple of these student projects only. Presumably others were posted as well. What do you want to bet that Mott took pictures of only the ones that personally offended him?

Excellent point. Perhaps you recall the "kid with the lemon drop" incident a few years ago -- happened in my kids' school. The real facts of the case were much, much different from what made it into the national media.

[RonF]

Like your point about "investigation" there was and is no investigation. Why do people keep insisting that there is.

Actually, that's my point. The cop's job is to enforce the law (which investigations are a part of). He was not doing this. Therefore, he had no business doing what he did while on duty.

Your assuming that this is an abuse of police power. What power did he use to do what?

When you show up in a building in uniform wearing a gun and a badge and demand access to a locked area, the use of police authority is implied. Now, what the janitor's involvement was (there are at least two different stories on that) and what he thought are debatable. We don't have the full story on that. But it seems implicit to me that this guy projected that he was on official business by showing up in the way he did. It would take an investigation to get a factual determination.

[hirn_man]

He didn't demand entry. He ASKED and it was GRANTED.

[MineralMan]

"Liberal atheist brainwashing (( Truth // history // conservatism )) -- indoctrination (( lies // evolution // ideology )) doesn't bother you ...

you like -- want it ..."total" -- "only" * * ... forced !

... * * ... fr patrick henry // cult !"

Would you like to take another try at that? Perhaps in English this time?

[RonF]

His sworn duty is to serve and protect the public.

Not outside his juristiction.

He did not let the public down.

In my opinion, he did; he abused his powers for personal opinion.The school did.

Now, this may also be true. I'd like to know if there were 20 displays supporting the USA, as well as 3 opposing it, in this classroom before I make that judgement.

[f.Christian]

ph ...

So why should biologists worry about creationists? It's precisesly for the reason you say -- to prevent irrationality and bogus "science" from being rammed into (and thus ruining) the still-forming minds of innocent children.

271 posted on 05/01/2003 8:03 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)



Do ... you ... need ... an ... explanation ?

[MineralMan]

"So why should biologists worry about creationists? "

Uh, I haven't seen anything about biology or creationism in this thread. Maybe you've gotten lost somehow. Sorry, I'm discussing the topic in this thread. We can talk about those other topics somewhere else.

[RonF]

10-4 on your analysis of how to deal with the schools. In my school district, people were upset with the level of academic instruction. Nothing political; they thought, based on what was happening when their kids moved from middle school to high school, that langauge arts instruction in our middle school needed to be changed. This went on for a couple of years. No change. This election cycle, 3 political neophytes opposed 3 long-time board members. ZOT! Three new board members, by a 2-1 margin, and some teachers who are now on notice.

[f.Christian]

"I do believe that the entire reason the the Pilgrims came here, was to escape religious persecution. The Founding Fathers granted the entire monopoly of religion to liberal aclu bolsheviks."

open season on pilgrims now !

[RonF]

"I do believe that the entire reason the the Pilgrims came here, was to escape religious persecution. The Founding Fathers granted the entire concept of freedom of religion to ALL religions."

I realize that the above is not your original posting. However, I thought I'd address it though you anyway. The first sentence here didn't lead directly to the second. In fact, the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution, but their end objective was to set up their own faith as the established church. They then merrily proceeded to be intolerant of any other faiths, up to and including fining, imprisoning, tarring, feathering, lashing, exiling, and executing those who opposed their established church. Only a couple of the original 13 colonies were founded with religious freedom in mind, and it took quite some time to get everyone else on board.

[RightWhale]

Heard Rush this morning, rare listening. He spent a lot of time on this non-issue. Both the cop and the teacher are creeps.

[RonF]

Re: 310:

We seem to have cross postings, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Sorry.

[MineralMan]

"10-4 on your analysis of how to deal with the schools. In my school district, people were upset with the level of academic instruction. Nothing political; they thought, based on what was happening when their kids moved from middle school to high school, that langauge arts instruction in our middle school needed to be changed. This went on for a couple of years. No change. This election cycle, 3 political neophytes opposed 3 long-time board members. ZOT! Three new board members, by a 2-1 margin, and some teachers who are now on notice."

Yup. It works very well, our system of elected officials. If the public perceives that changes need to be made, they can be made.

The School Board, in my opinion, is our most amazing political entity. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can run for the school board, and stand a decent change of being elected. At least, that is, in smaller districts. Where I am, it would be possible for a candidate to personally knock on every door in the district between the time of filing for candidacy and the election.

I've known one man who actually did that. He was elected, of course, and served on the school board for 12 years, doing a terrific job. He moved from that job to the County Board of Supervisors, and is considering a run for State Assembly. He may just win, too.

He is an inspiration to all of us. Any of us can justifiably hope to get elected to such a local position. All it takes is a good idea and a lot of hard work.

This is why I have virtually no patience for those who complain without taking action. Our system works. It is just a matter of putting one's ideas into action and convincing people with a good argument that one is correct. That works on the local level every time, and all politics are essentially local.

Of course, you do have to have supportable ideas and the gonads to work for your goals. It ain't easy to walk precincts and listen to folks. You'll hear a heckuva lot of things you don't agree with when you do. But...given the ideas and the energy, most anyone can get elected to a school board. I've seen it happen a lot of times, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad.

[zeugma]

I guess I should rephrase. I really don't wonder. I know exactly the mindset at work that breeds this kind of ignorance and contempt for individual liberties and the ever expanding realm of 'police powers'.

I responded specifically with the points in contest that are at issue here. You respond in vague generalities in defense of the all powerful state.

[f.Christian]

The flat liners (( liberals )) have the cartoon version ...

here's mine !

To: whattajoke

waj ...

It is my strong contention that science, and all its tenets, is an important part of conservatism. We consider ourselves more knowledgable and educated (well, we are) and this is all part of that. The minority of YEC's in our world do us an injustice, and make for easy ridicule from the left.


ph ...


Well stated. That is also my position.


112 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)


fC ...


Overlordism ...

I'm only surprised that you publicly admit it (( you 're not joshing // tricking me ? ? )) !

"We consider ourselves more knowledgable and educated (well, we are)" ---


fC ...


Is that only what your worried about ... what leftist think ---

"The minority of YEC's in our world do us an injustice, and make for easy ridicule from the left."

What's the difference between your village and hillary clinton's ?





wj ...

As has been stated here a million times, scientific debate is not meant for public spectacle. Truth be told, it's a tedious, boring exercise detailing minute facts, written out over tens of thousands of pages in hundreds of texts, journals, online resources, museum placards, etc.


fC ...

classic ... elitisim !


To: f.Christian

fC...

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change.

LC...

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule (( constitutional // law ))** for the assurance technocracy and expert rule (( dictatorship // tyranny ))**.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic

** .. .. .. my additions !

Boshevik monopoly (( experts )) ... social // mind engineers ---

Brainwashing (( God // Truth )) -- Indoctrination (( lies // evolution // atheism )) !

Main Entry: tech·no·crat
Pronunciation: 'tek-n&-"krat
Function: noun
Date: 1932
1 : an adherent of technocracy
2 : a technical expert; especially : one exercising managerial authority

Main Entry: tech·noc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: tek-'nä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Date: circa 1919
: government by technicians; specifically : management of society by technical experts

[RonF]

If your husband was a county officer, I'm guessing that he wouldn't have thought to go into a building outside his county for any reason unless he thought a crime was being committed.