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(Oct. 10, 2001)China Plans to Send Probe to Moon ***…….few details are available of new developments in the military-linked program. ……….China's communist government has poured huge resources into making the nation a force in space. In addition to its scientific benefits, lunar exploration has an ``immeasurable usefulness to raising national prestige and inspiring the nationalistic spirit,'' Xinhua said. ***

China Announces 2005 Space Plans --Say space arms race has begun***While building its space programs, China is also concerned that space could become an expensive battleground in any future conflict. Beijing is especially unhappy with U.S. plans to build systems to shield the United States from missile attack. (snip) ``Another arms race in outer space has begun since 1998, and we should be watchful,'' Huang said.***

(December 09, 2001) China's great leap forward: Space[Excerpt] "The space industry is not only a reflection of the comprehensive national strength but also an important tool for leaping over the traditional developing stage," said Liu Jibin, minister of China's Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense.

If China makes that leap, the country's civil and military space efforts could close the gap between East and West in years instead of decades. Technology is critical to China's development of bigger, better missiles and space-based defenses as well as the country's commercial ambitions. Market reforms and cheap labor already are turning a once-stagnant, planned economy into a powerhouse.

Signs of the transformation can be seen everywhere in China's cities. Bumper-to-bumper car traffic has replaced bicycle gridlock. McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken are almost as common as traditional roadside food stalls. Chairman Mao's wardrobe has been mothballed in favor of Western fashions. Handbills and posters are more likely to tout the qualities of European cigarettes than the virtues of class struggle.

One thing, however, hasn't changed: Most of China's space program remains closed to the outside world. Even so, a few Chinese officials are cautiously -- almost reluctantly -- beginning to open up.

A two-week tour of Chinese aerospace facilities this fall and talks with high-level managers, many of whom have been off-limits to Americans, revealed this about the country's mysterious manned program: China likely will launch its first astronaut sometime in 2003 after six or so unpiloted test flights of its manned spacecraft. The next test flight -- the third overall -- is expected to blast off before the end of January.

Preliminary design of a Chinese space station already is under way. A modest outpost with limited capabilities could be developed during the next decade.

And there's even talk of sending people to the moon and building lunar bases in the next decade. [End Excerpt]

(December 10, 2001) CHINA'S NEW FRONTIER China finds launches lucrative [Excerpt] There also were accusations -- adamantly denied -- that Loral's chairman influenced a Clinton administration licensing decision with a hefty donation to the Democratic National Committee. License approval eventually was shifted from the Commerce Department to the more restrictive State Department.

The Clinton White House announced in November 2000 that it would resume processing export licenses and extend China's launch privileges through 2001 after Beijing agreed to a missile nonproliferation pact. But the Bush administration says outstanding issues remain in implementing the nonproliferation agreement. New satellite export licenses remain on hold. Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., and three other lawmakers urged President Bush in July not to resume licensing under any condition. [End Excerpt]

CHINA'S NEW FRONTIER: U.S. threw out man who put China in space [Excerpt] As World War II wound down, Tsien was made a colonel in the U.S. Army Air Forces and sent to Europe in 1945. His mission: Size up the German V-2 rocket program developed by Hitler's Third Reich.

There, he met and interviewed young Wernher von Braun, the V-2 project's technical director who one day would become the visionary behind the Saturn V rocket that put America on the moon. During their meeting, Tsien asked von Braun to put down on paper German breakthroughs and future space goals. The resulting report is credited with helping inspire development of the first U.S. satellites.

After the war, Tsien became the youngest full professor on the faculty at MIT. During a 1947 visit to see his family in China, he met Jiang Ying, a glamorous aristocrat who studied music in Germany and was one of China's most celebrated young sopranos. Her father -- a military adviser for Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist government -- was helping wage a civil war aimed at crushing Mao Tse Tung's communist rebels.

The couple married later that year and moved back to America. When Tsien re-entered the United States in Honolulu, he reflexively answered "no" to a question on an immigration form asking whether he had ever belonged to a group advocating overthrow of the U.S. government. [End Excerpt]

Red Dragon Rising: China's Space Program Driven by Military Ambitions***"If you look at the overall Chinese space program, they are pursuing everything from micro and mini-satellites, all the way up through a manned space program. Space is a major Chinese technology area that they feel they must develop and exploit," Cheng said. "They understand the importance of space, politically, economically and militarily. We need to understand that this is not some third-world country firing off a one-shot deal," he stressed.

Cheng said that China would trump the second-tier space powers by having their own human space launch capability, leaving behind Japan, India, and even the European Space Agency. "There would be a technological, political, sort of in-your-face aspect to it," Cheng said. "On the other hand, having a Shenzhou crew come back crispy-crittered would be a really bad move," Cheng added. In the larger picture, Cheng said, China's space agenda is a force to be reckoned with, adding: "We must remember here in the United States that the new frontier may not fly only the red, white, and blue. It's the fact that now we're seeing dragons in orbit."***

Report: China on schedule for manned launchBy JOE McDONALD, AP [Full Text] BEIJING -- China is sticking to plans for a manned space launch this year, confident its rockets are safe, the head of the country's main civilian space agency was quoted Friday as saying. The comments by Zhang Qingwei, president of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp., to the China Daily newspaper were the highest-level affirmation yet of Chinese determination to go ahead with a manned flight. The communist government hasn't announced a launch date, but earlier reports put it in the second half of this year.

"China put into place its space program long ago, and it will stick to its schedule without being distracted," Zhang was quoted as saying. He was paraphrased as saying a manned launch would take place this year, though the report gave no details. The Chinese have not given any indication whether one or more taikonauts will be launched or how long the flight will last. However, the last unmanned flight of the Shenzhou capsule in January lasted for 108 orbits. Also, the Russian Soyuz capsule, on which the Shenzhou is based, can seat up to three people. A successful flight would make China only the third nation, after Russia and the United States, to send a human into space on its own.

Beijing is thought to have invested at least $1 billion in the program, a symbol of communist-led progress. The sum is large for a country with an annual income per person of about $700. The military-linked program, begun in 1992, operated until recently in almost total secrecy. But China has been emboldened by four test launches of its Shenzhou space capsule, the latest in January. "Technically there is no direct link between China's manned space program and U.S. missions, and China has developed an effective quality-control system in rocket and spacecraft manufacturing, launching and scientific research," the China Daily quoted Zhang as saying.

A spokesman at China Aerospace headquarters in Beijing couldn't confirm the report and said Zhang wasn't available to comment. However, earlier reports from state-controlled media about the space program have been confirmed by officials. The report Friday noted that China's Long March booster rockets have had 27 successful launches in the past seven years. [End]

10 posted on 05/05/2003 4:01:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I live in Asia and have spent a great deal [Almost 20 years] of the past 40 years here. At any minute of any day of any month of any year there are more Chinese people in my 3 homes out here than there are Ang Mohs and Gwai Lohs. ["Red Heads" and "Foreign Devils"]

I have worked with and have attempted to train both low and high-ranking chinese "pilots," [Who are actually only earth people in pilot costumes] both military and civilian -- and barely one in a hundred would keep a base-level pilot's job in any Western Nation. Every one of them is less effective than would be the cardboard cutout of a pilot when under 500 feet and/or when the going gets tough.

And, regardless of what you quote -- and from any source you choose -- I will stand by what I said.

Don't mistake the fact that "china" is the definitive enemy.

But technologically, right down to the level of driving cars, its slaves couldn't be counted to get off their arses efficiently -- and/or to scratch them!

Best ones -- Brian
11 posted on 05/05/2003 4:23:42 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Re your posting # 10

I read in the "Jane's AeroSpace" online, an article about the Chinese Space program. Seems that , among other things the Chinese had muster a force of 30,000 engineers into one special city to work on their space program...
63 posted on 05/05/2003 10:25:04 AM PDT by The Pheonix
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