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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: WaterDragon
The tone of the article is snide, and this isn't the first time the so-called conservative Telegraph has printed such. That is what is objectionable

AGAIN, I ask you Waterdragon...CITE the examples. To date there is a very positive artlce which Pukka found offence with, but most Freepers had no problem with. And the other was a thread you yourself posted, with got ..eh ONE reply.

Please...please...please...show consistency in how the Daily Telegraph is not Conservative. For those TWO (crap, articles), I'll give you at least five articles that are posted daily from the DT!!!

But because YOU say it's true Waterdragon/PukkaPuck.it has to be so, eh?

301 posted on 05/04/2003 9:43:01 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
It's the liberal-thinking disease -- never see what's as plain as the nose on your face because what you see proves you dead-wrong.
302 posted on 05/04/2003 9:44:38 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Pukka Puck
Dude, you ain't gonna live this one down if you continue.

This is a public forum, you know?
303 posted on 05/04/2003 9:45:13 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Sit back and learn, Fred.
304 posted on 05/04/2003 9:46:21 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Pukka Puck
Pukka..if your physical attributes match you ego you are 'big' as all hell.

But every gal knows, those who talk about it, never reach expectations!

305 posted on 05/04/2003 9:46:25 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
"I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

I'm sure that's a direct quote from an American soldier - NOT.

306 posted on 05/04/2003 9:46:36 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa
Precisely!!!! But it is probably how a moronic Brit reporter THINKS Americans talk. LOL.
307 posted on 05/04/2003 9:48:15 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Happygal
No one is saying that the DT is not conservative.

I am saying that the article is crap. That such a crappy article is published by a conservative newspaper is objectionable.

Is that so hard to understand?
308 posted on 05/04/2003 9:49:41 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Arkinsaw
We are rather dogmatic in our force protection schemes. In this instance, the British have pushed the decisions down to the lower levels whereas our approach is a lot more dogmatic. There is much to be said for the British approach.

I agree. Peacekeeping and war fighting are two very different things. You have to take the Kevlar off and mix it up with the locals. They have to see us as people if we are to be sucessful in winning the peace.

309 posted on 05/04/2003 9:50:57 PM PDT by arm958
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To: Fred Mertz
No worries.

Faint heart never won fair lady!
310 posted on 05/04/2003 9:51:35 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Happygal
Well, you have a look and then tell me, OK?
311 posted on 05/04/2003 9:52:23 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
HAVE you bothered to read this thread?

Holy Shit!

I never said I liked this article from the outset?

(You need to be beaten across the head with a wet trout!!)
312 posted on 05/04/2003 9:53:15 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
No thanks. It would ruin the enigma! ;-) (ye wanker! *L*)
313 posted on 05/04/2003 9:54:37 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
I've read every post in this thread.

So we agree that the article was crap and the DT passes for conservative in Britain.

Now can we agree that you want me to send you a picture?
314 posted on 05/04/2003 9:56:06 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Happygal
OK.

I'll save the e-mail that I had ready to send you as a draft, in case you change your mind. It has been my experience that women have a tendency to change their minds.

It is, afterall, their prerogative.

Good Night.
315 posted on 05/04/2003 10:00:04 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
Pukkapuke! I don't give a diddly ass squat what ye look like.

I didn't like the article. But the DT is more balanced and conservative than the Washington Post.

316 posted on 05/04/2003 10:00:11 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
The Washington Post is a terrible liberal newspaper. Talk about damning with faint praise.

I am very curious as to what you look like.
317 posted on 05/04/2003 10:03:45 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
I'm very selective to whom I give my picture.

This face is copyrigthed!
318 posted on 05/04/2003 10:05:10 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
Did I confuse the Washington Post, with the Washington Times?

Sorry, forgive me!
319 posted on 05/04/2003 10:20:12 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
Is it possible to show patriotism for one's own troops without the need to put down your allies? Americans manage that. Probably has to do with our lack of an inferiority complex.

Ok, I'm only saying this because I take issue with the label of an inferiority complex, on the Brits: English history is rife with a self-perception of superiority over anyone not British: The Irish, the Scots, and Indians to name a few.

The fact that this inherent cultural trait is displayed now and then in a British tabloid should not be considered extraordinary...

320 posted on 05/04/2003 10:23:18 PM PDT by onehipdad
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