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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allies; american; antiamerican; boorishness; british; drivel; iraqifreedom; mediabias; order; totalbs; troops
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To: stinkypew
Not another Anglophile. I wonder why so many people in this country (pseudo-intellectuals always belittle this country and it's achievements. And why did Churchill think it was so neccessary that we get into the war? We were definitely a major player in that victory and to say otherwise is truly amazing. Why do you think that the Roosevelt (later Truman) and Stalin had the biggest voices in the Big Three?

By the way, I love and appreciate the Brits, but I think it is historically inaccurate to take the position you have taken. Our national self loathing really needs to stop!
201 posted on 05/04/2003 7:33:54 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: WaterDragon
hmm it makes you want to scream doesnt it?

our soldiers out there risking their lives and some fat journalist is busy trashing them.

I didnt realise the us had papers trashing their own troops too.

I view the media reports such as this as pretty irrelevant. At the end of theday since ww2, the us and uk have fought side by side in a number of conflicts. The cooperation between their militaries is as close as is possible for different countries. Wether its the joint training of S.A.S and delta force.
Or joint production of the F-35,
or the sanctions imposed on argentina by reagan in 82
or the uk marines placed under US command in chosin
or afghanistan
or kosovo
or gulf war 1

The cooperation has been there

I have no doubt in my mind it will continue
202 posted on 05/04/2003 7:34:29 PM PDT by may18
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To: Happygal
Well, why do you comment on this thread then?

My original comment was made to attempt to point out a rather glaring flaw in logic on the part of another poster. Looking back, I now question the value of my effort.

But you're right, I have hundreds of other more profitable things I could be doing right now.

203 posted on 05/04/2003 7:34:49 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Happygal
You are right about critical thought. Try making its acquaintence.
204 posted on 05/04/2003 7:35:21 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
WaterDragon..you live in a SEA of liberalism in the US. Any amount of liberal publications churning out tripe daily.

But you have ONE article in the Daily Telegraph up yer snot. (that's a turn of phrase).

The fact that you choose to have a vendetta about a permanently conservative newspaper, instead of taking on liberal rags on your own side of the Atlantic to task is indicative of a mendacious nature. I'm sorry, but I say it, as I see it!

205 posted on 05/04/2003 7:37:34 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: faithincowboys
When the hell did I say anything to belittle this country? Read what I wrote and then give me some factual argument instead of simply waving the flag. What you're doing is simply providing an illustration of the saying, "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels."
206 posted on 05/04/2003 7:39:26 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: Happygal
"Well, the British troops are under US command. To criticise them, would be to criticise the US". I haven't criticized British troops. Never have. Never will. The only people criticizing anyone's troops are the Lefty newspapers in America, and most of the newspapers in Britain, including their primary conservative newspaper.
207 posted on 05/04/2003 7:40:03 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
You are right about critical thought. Try making its acquaintence.

Oh! Ouch! That hurt! *LOL*

Care to make a decent contribution to your anti-Anglo thread? ;-)

208 posted on 05/04/2003 7:40:04 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: WaterDragon
I wonder if the writer is any relation to Monte.

British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing...until we kicked their butts out in our revolution.

209 posted on 05/04/2003 7:42:02 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: Happygal
I think you know very well it isn't just one article. I'd like to hear why THE conservative paper in Britain prints this tripe? Don't tell me it's "fair and balanced". That certainly is possible to accomplish without the snide, sneering tripe such as in this article.

Attacking the speaker instead of responding to the question is a tactic of the liberal/lefties, and is unworthy of this forum.
210 posted on 05/04/2003 7:43:29 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
You haven't criticised the British troops, but have yet to counter anti-British sentiment on YOUR thread? Hmm!

211 posted on 05/04/2003 7:44:40 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Also, you better believe I'd attack any conservative newspaper in America that indulged in this sort of low-class tripe.

Low-class tripe is the daily offering of the liberal/lefty newspapers, however.
212 posted on 05/04/2003 7:45:27 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: dandelion
"the original intent of the article, which was to discuss the differences of the American and British troops' strategies in Iraq."

The intent of the article was to bash America and American troops.
213 posted on 05/04/2003 7:46:03 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: WaterDragon
Just to put this post into context this has recently been posted on a uk military forum it was in response to an american poster laughing at the death of the tornado pilot, incidently i considered the american just an idiot, not a typical american. When you read of the incredible cooperation between our forces it makes this article seem...irrelevant
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I did serve in the recent conflict and know exactly what happened because I was there. I will give two examples of incidents I was involved in, US army column pinned down within 2 hours of entering Iraq, calls for British Artillery Support, Artillery decimates Iraqi troops completely, pinpoint accuracy. US column proceeds. US Marine is quoted as saying ' I'm glad you Brits are on our side!' 2nd incident, last days of war, Marine Unit in Baghdad is pinned down by Sniper, calls for support, British Sniper (My friend) makes 1850 metre shot in smoked filled air to take sniper out, one of the longest shots in war-time.
Next time you bad mouth British Forces get your facts straight. And please do not laugh at the death of one of my brothers in arms, I find it despicable, and only strengthens the case that you are not worth the time or effort of anyone else on this forum. I have been to more funerals in the past 2 weeks, (Both US and UK Forces) friends and allies from both the US and UK,than I will in the rest of my lifetime.

Don't spit on their memories.

_____

I found his article very sobering indeed, and after reading it i am not prepared to continue in us vs uk bickering

214 posted on 05/04/2003 7:47:57 PM PDT by may18
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To: WaterDragon
I've asked you already to link ALL the other articles from the Daily Telegraph that you've been affronted by. You won't do it.

Why? Because you can't.


Is the Daily Telegraph 'fair and balanced'? In my opinion? Yup.
(Don't mind me though. I've only worked in journalism for 13 years. I'm sure you know more)
215 posted on 05/04/2003 7:47:57 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Pukka Puck
Right on!
216 posted on 05/04/2003 7:48:34 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: Happygal; MadIvan
"Eh...and the American posters on this board slag Europeans."

Post an article from any major American media, liberal, conservative, or moderate that slams British troops and methods while unfavorably comparing them to Americans.

You can't.

You will not be able to find a single article critical about the job the Brits have done in Iraq in any mainstream American media.

Don't act like this is a two way street, because it isn't. This is the British press kicking sand into our faces and our reacting to their bullshit, not some unprovoked attack on the British.

BTW, what are you wearing?
217 posted on 05/04/2003 7:51:16 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Pukka Puck
pukka

ive ust posted an example of americans and brits saving each others lives

compared to that simple fact

this article (which is silly)

is totally irrelevant.
218 posted on 05/04/2003 7:52:26 PM PDT by may18
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To: may18
Listen up: I haven't bashed British troops, and won't. As for any bashing of British troops on this thread, there have been a number of AMERICANS that have responded more than adequately.

The Telegraph, by printing this article, bashes American troops. The Telegraph may be feeling inferior, for all I know for perfectly good reasons. But printing this and similar articles lessens its reputation as the preeminent conservative newspaper.

I've read the Telegraph regularly for years. I've written them to comment on an article or column, sometimes agreeing, sometimes not, and have always gotten some kind of response, if only to say thank you for writing. But when I've written them about these particular articles, I hear absolutely NOTHING back from them.

I HOPE its because they have some sense of shame for printing them.
219 posted on 05/04/2003 7:53:49 PM PDT by WaterDragon (Only America has the moral authority and the resolve to lead the world in the 21st Century.)
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To: WaterDragon
"Class shows, doesn't it?"

Yes it does. Also those who support this sort of no class ally bashing show their true colors as well.

I fully support your point that this article is way out of line and the author wouldn't have written it this way and a supposedly conservative newspaper would not have printed a series of such articles if there was not a large body of public opinion in Britain to which they are catering.
220 posted on 05/04/2003 7:55:17 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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