"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"

The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

[faithincowboys]

Not another Anglophile. I wonder why so many people in this country (pseudo-intellectuals always belittle this country and it's achievements. And why did Churchill think it was so neccessary that we get into the war? We were definitely a major player in that victory and to say otherwise is truly amazing. Why do you think that the Roosevelt (later Truman) and Stalin had the biggest voices in the Big Three?

By the way, I love and appreciate the Brits, but I think it is historically inaccurate to take the position you have taken. Our national self loathing really needs to stop!

[may18]

hmm it makes you want to scream doesnt it?

our soldiers out there risking their lives and some fat journalist is busy trashing them.

I didnt realise the us had papers trashing their own troops too.

I view the media reports such as this as pretty irrelevant. At the end of theday since ww2, the us and uk have fought side by side in a number of conflicts. The cooperation between their militaries is as close as is possible for different countries. Wether its the joint training of S.A.S and delta force.
Or joint production of the F-35,
or the sanctions imposed on argentina by reagan in 82
or the uk marines placed under US command in chosin
or afghanistan
or kosovo
or gulf war 1

The cooperation has been there

I have no doubt in my mind it will continue

[Trailerpark Badass]

Well, why do you comment on this thread then?

My original comment was made to attempt to point out a rather glaring flaw in logic on the part of another poster. Looking back, I now question the value of my effort.

But you're right, I have hundreds of other more profitable things I could be doing right now.

[WaterDragon]

You are right about critical thought. Try making its acquaintence.

[Happygal]

WaterDragon..you live in a SEA of liberalism in the US. Any amount of liberal publications churning out tripe daily.

But you have ONE article in the Daily Telegraph up yer snot. (that's a turn of phrase).

The fact that you choose to have a vendetta about a permanently conservative newspaper, instead of taking on liberal rags on your own side of the Atlantic to task is indicative of a mendacious nature. I'm sorry, but I say it, as I see it!

[stinkypew]

When the hell did I say anything to belittle this country? Read what I wrote and then give me some factual argument instead of simply waving the flag. What you're doing is simply providing an illustration of the saying, "Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels."

[WaterDragon]

"Well, the British troops are under US command. To criticise them, would be to criticise the US". I haven't criticized British troops. Never have. Never will. The only people criticizing anyone's troops are the Lefty newspapers in America, and most of the newspapers in Britain, including their primary conservative newspaper.

[Happygal]

You are right about critical thought. Try making its acquaintence.

Oh! Ouch! That hurt! *LOL*

Care to make a decent contribution to your anti-Anglo thread? ;-)

[Enough is ENOUGH]

I wonder if the writer is any relation to Monte.

British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing...until we kicked their butts out in our revolution.

[WaterDragon]

I think you know very well it isn't just one article. I'd like to hear why THE conservative paper in Britain prints this tripe? Don't tell me it's "fair and balanced". That certainly is possible to accomplish without the snide, sneering tripe such as in this article.

Attacking the speaker instead of responding to the question is a tactic of the liberal/lefties, and is unworthy of this forum.

[Happygal]

You haven't criticised the British troops, but have yet to counter anti-British sentiment on YOUR thread? Hmm!

[WaterDragon]

Also, you better believe I'd attack any conservative newspaper in America that indulged in this sort of low-class tripe.

Low-class tripe is the daily offering of the liberal/lefty newspapers, however.

[Pukka Puck]

"the original intent of the article, which was to discuss the differences of the American and British troops' strategies in Iraq."

The intent of the article was to bash America and American troops.

[may18]

Just to put this post into context this has recently been posted on a uk military forum it was in response to an american poster laughing at the death of the tornado pilot, incidently i considered the american just an idiot, not a typical american. When you read of the incredible cooperation between our forces it makes this article seem...irrelevant
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I did serve in the recent conflict and know exactly what happened because I was there. I will give two examples of incidents I was involved in, US army column pinned down within 2 hours of entering Iraq, calls for British Artillery Support, Artillery decimates Iraqi troops completely, pinpoint accuracy. US column proceeds. US Marine is quoted as saying ' I'm glad you Brits are on our side!' 2nd incident, last days of war, Marine Unit in Baghdad is pinned down by Sniper, calls for support, British Sniper (My friend) makes 1850 metre shot in smoked filled air to take sniper out, one of the longest shots in war-time.
Next time you bad mouth British Forces get your facts straight. And please do not laugh at the death of one of my brothers in arms, I find it despicable, and only strengthens the case that you are not worth the time or effort of anyone else on this forum. I have been to more funerals in the past 2 weeks, (Both US and UK Forces) friends and allies from both the US and UK,than I will in the rest of my lifetime.

Don't spit on their memories.

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I found his article very sobering indeed, and after reading it i am not prepared to continue in us vs uk bickering

[Happygal]

I've asked you already to link ALL the other articles from the Daily Telegraph that you've been affronted by. You won't do it.

Why? Because you can't.


Is the Daily Telegraph 'fair and balanced'? In my opinion? Yup.
(Don't mind me though. I've only worked in journalism for 13 years. I'm sure you know more)

[WaterDragon]

Right on!

[Pukka Puck]

"Eh...and the American posters on this board slag Europeans."

Post an article from any major American media, liberal, conservative, or moderate that slams British troops and methods while unfavorably comparing them to Americans.

You can't.

You will not be able to find a single article critical about the job the Brits have done in Iraq in any mainstream American media.

Don't act like this is a two way street, because it isn't. This is the British press kicking sand into our faces and our reacting to their bullshit, not some unprovoked attack on the British.

BTW, what are you wearing?

[may18]

pukka

ive ust posted an example of americans and brits saving each others lives

compared to that simple fact

this article (which is silly)

is totally irrelevant.

[WaterDragon]

Listen up: I haven't bashed British troops, and won't. As for any bashing of British troops on this thread, there have been a number of AMERICANS that have responded more than adequately.

The Telegraph, by printing this article, bashes American troops. The Telegraph may be feeling inferior, for all I know for perfectly good reasons. But printing this and similar articles lessens its reputation as the preeminent conservative newspaper.

I've read the Telegraph regularly for years. I've written them to comment on an article or column, sometimes agreeing, sometimes not, and have always gotten some kind of response, if only to say thank you for writing. But when I've written them about these particular articles, I hear absolutely NOTHING back from them.

I HOPE its because they have some sense of shame for printing them.

[Pukka Puck]

"Class shows, doesn't it?"

Yes it does. Also those who support this sort of no class ally bashing show their true colors as well.

I fully support your point that this article is way out of line and the author wouldn't have written it this way and a supposedly conservative newspaper would not have printed a series of such articles if there was not a large body of public opinion in Britain to which they are catering.