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To: BlackElk
BlackElk wrote: I did not mention that because I regard the cause of secession as constitutional, and regard such men as Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, J. E. B. Stuart, Patrick Claiborne, John Bell Hood, James Longstreet, P. G. T. Beauregard, and many but not all of their colleagues as men of character and honor and valor and a patriotism rooted in state not national citizenship.

Yeah, but the League of the South isn't just dedicated to the memory of the Old south, it's neo-secessionist as well.

That matter was decided by the Civil War and any attempt to break up the present-day U.S. along the old free/slave-state fauilt lines is at the very least goofy and seditious.

236 posted on 05/05/2003 9:02:36 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
It would certainly be goofy to split the United States along those slave state/free state lines. Seditious? If Fleming believes that the earth is flat (entirely possible belief for him) that has little likelihood of becoming reality. If "neo-secessionists" want to divide the US that way, they are birdbrains and ought not to indulge the deceit of claiming to emulate the generals I mentioned.

The secession issue itself was resolved in 1861-1865 by force of arms but, so long as there is a Tenth Amendment and so long as it is not amended, the truth is that nothing legally prevents secession of any state for good reasons or for ill. Internal assent to a principle of non-secession enforceable only at gunpoint and nowhere present in our nations duly enacted laws resolves nothing on the intellectual plane of intellect ormoral principle.

Also, don't forget that Fleming comes from the land north of the cheddar curtain, Wisconsin, which, in an abolitionist snit, was the first state to enact articles of secession, although James Buchanan, followed by Abe Lincoln and their successors were kind enough to ignore Wisconsin's eccentric behavior.

I don't think secession is now a very good idea for any reason. If I did, I would favor flyover country seceding, establishing an abortion-proof constitution, and conquering a coastal state on each coast to give access to the oceans, expelling the current residents who want to remain with the coastal states. When the Demonrat-ridden coastal regions collapse from left social and economic policies, we may be willing to take them back, but only if they constitutionally promise to be very, very good.

242 posted on 05/05/2003 9:56:13 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Neo-isolationism delenda est!)
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To: quidnunc; BlackElk
It may be "goofy" to break up the USA at the free/slave fault line--but it would make perfect sense to break it into two parts today: the part which is sensible (between the mountain ranges) and the part which is NOT (east of and west of the mountain ranges.

And pray tell, did the Civil War obviate the 10th Amendment? You seem to think so based on your "Settled Question" comment...
260 posted on 05/05/2003 11:37:30 AM PDT by ninenot
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