Fine and all, but what bothers me is that there seems to be an attempt to deny that those who supported Iraq war could have done so out of any other belief besides Making The World Safe For Democracy. There's an attempt here to pigeonhole people for the sake of an easy straw man to attack ("you're all Wilsonians!") and yes, I resent it.
You hate the term neoconservative, so you're doing whatever you can to dissuade people from using it,
actually I don't really care about the term. I just want its usage to make sense. like i said, this guy Podhoretz is a neoconservative, fine, call him one. Ann Coulter?!? give me a break
Neoconservative is very handy, because it describes a new (relatively speaking) turn in conservative thought,
and what turn would that be? Be specific, and don't claim to have read the minds of (and thus label and set up as straw men) everyone you disagree with either.
An attempt by whom? By me? "Pigeonholing" indeed.
actually I don't really care about the term.
Sure sounded like you did at #191.
I just want its usage to make sense.
And that's what I've been trying to do for you, and you keep dismissing it. I've based my conclusions on the common beliefs exhibited in their writing. It comes through for others as it does for me. You can close your ears and deny its existence, but that doesn't really change any of the facts. If you don't want to believe that such a belief exists, fine. But many others see it, and will be using this particular term to describe it. I just thought I'd help you out by explaining what it is we're talking about.
You're welcome.