[BlackElk]

Ummmm, one of the self-defining positions of "paleo-cons" is that they despise National Review and Bill Buckley, Bill Rusher, and many early editors of National Review who were not only Jewish by ancestry or Faith but also, in numerous cases, ex-communists such as Frank and Elsie Meyer, Max Eastman and others. Reagan never had an allergy to Jewish allies. Goldwater was the grandson of a Jewish department store owner and of three Christian grandparents.

Don't believe me. Review for yourself the websites of the Rockford Institute (chronicles.com) and "paleocon" foreign policy guru Justin Raimondo (antiwar.com, no less!) and judge for yourself. These people are NOT conservative. They are simply social eccentrics, the kind you used to have fun teasing in high school, who hide behind a bizarre agenda and sully the good name of conservatism.

[T'wit]

> judge for yourself. These people are NOT conservative

I agree, so do they. So why are you calling them paleo-cons? They -- most of them -- call themselves libertarians. That was the point I raised, this "paleo-con" terminology is confusing. We have two distinctly different definitions of paleo-cons, one a member in good standing of the conservative family, the other painted as evil. We'll never get anywhere with this discussion unless everyone agrees to the same system of labels.

[billbears]

Ummmm, one of the self-defining positions of "paleo-cons" is that they despise National Review and Bill Buckley, Bill Rusher, and many early editors of National Review who were not only Jewish by ancestry or Faith but also

Ummmmm, the reason they're despised is not because of their heritage. God bless them if they're Jewish. They're God's Chosen People. The reason many neocons are not conservative is the fact that instead of calling for a smaller government as conservatives used to do, they call for a government to push their agenda, and while some aspects are conservative in nature it is not a true conservative position to want the national government involved in every aspect of a person's daily life

Or did I misread the latest agenda for nationailized healthcare, 15 billion for AIDS in Africa, more Patriot Act nonsense, and 2 billion for hydrogen cars all from a Republican administration. Spending the taxpayers' money on unconstituional actions and boondoggle research doesn't sound very conservative to me