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'Neocon' Becomes a Confusing Code Word
The Tallahassee Democrat ^ | May 2, 2003 | Suzanne Fields

Posted on 05/03/2003 8:44:59 AM PDT by quidnunc

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To: anniegetyourgun
May this truth be called out for exactly what it is = anti-semitism.

It is really annoying. Some right wingers used to complain that Jews are too liberal (basically true), but when there are right-wing Jews they're excoriated too.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's almost like what Emporer Hadrian said about the Jews, "it doesn't matter what they do I still hate them."

21 posted on 05/03/2003 9:31:42 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: SunStar
David Duke eh? Is SunStar the code war for Al Sharpton who accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being a racist...err antisemite.
22 posted on 05/03/2003 9:31:56 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: UbIwerks
You mean right wing Jews like Murray Rothbard, the founder of the paleos?
23 posted on 05/03/2003 9:32:32 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: denydenydeny
...paleocons were people who reacted to the atrocity with almost a sense of cheerfulness, a "we had it coming" smugness--again, I point to Justin Raimondo's posts here that afternoon.

Yes, the Paleocons are the Buchanan types who sound more like raving Leftists, KKK members, and Muslim extremists at this point. Like most all of the former-Freepers like Arator who after being banned from FR, went off to form Bush-bashing sites like Liberty Forum and Liberty Post. Sick, twisted conspiracy types who love to talk about "golems" and like to label our goverment as "ZOG".

24 posted on 05/03/2003 9:32:45 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: ex-snook
Chickenhawk? Isn't that some kind of gay insult?
25 posted on 05/03/2003 9:33:13 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: ChadGore
Thanks. The "paleos" named in David Frum's essay almost all identify themselves as libertarians and have strong issues with standard conservatism (if there's any left :-) ). Should we not use the label they choose for themselves? Lew Rockwell, e.g., would not be caught dead calling himself a paleo-con, nor would Raimondo.
26 posted on 05/03/2003 9:33:49 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: T'wit
Ha!

You are correct. Before Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh, all the true conservatives in the country could have gathered for cocktails on the poop deck of William F. Buckley's yacht, Cyrano.

In fact, they often did! Now, condemned as "Paleo-Conservatives," it is quite understandable that their silken knickers occasionally get in a bit of a twist. I mean after all, "Who the Hell are all these new people in the club!"

Oh yeah, IMHO, they are also quite uncomfortable with actually winning elections.

27 posted on 05/03/2003 9:34:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Austin Willard Wright
David Duke eh? Is SunStar the code war for Al Sharpton who accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being a racist...err antisemite.

Take a jaunt over to LibertyPost.com and LibertyForum.com where the self-identified Paleo's hang out and tell me I'm wrong.

28 posted on 05/03/2003 9:34:55 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Chickenhawk? Isn't that some kind of gay insult?

No, it's a label the liberals and paleo-cons use to describe Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other conservatives who have supported the War on Terror but who didn't fight in Vietnam.

29 posted on 05/03/2003 9:36:21 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Murray never in his life identified with, or called himself, a conservative of any stripe. He was pure libertarian.
30 posted on 05/03/2003 9:37:02 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: T'wit
Lew Rockwell, e.g., would not be caught dead calling himself a paleo-con, nor would Raimondo.

I disagree insofar as Raimando, along with Pat Buchanan and others, write for "The American Conservative", which labels itself a paleo-conservative publication, and all other conservatives as neocons who have "hijacked" the conservative movement. Well, that may indeed be a compliment.

31 posted on 05/03/2003 9:38:20 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar
Well....the "former" Communist surrender monkeys in Poland (still members of the Socialist International) supported the war. These surrender monkeys have been praised on FR...therefore folks on FR support Socialism and defend surrender monkeys. This is the weird logic of your McCarthyite argument.

Now...if you can find evidence that paleocons actually consider Duke to be a compatriot. Right now, you have nothing but sleaze

32 posted on 05/03/2003 9:38:38 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: T'wit
A libertarian who supported Buchanan? Yeah right.
33 posted on 05/03/2003 9:39:15 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: widowithfoursons
"And don't give me the Crusades BS"

Why? it's true!

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
34 posted on 05/03/2003 9:41:22 AM PDT by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
You mean right wing Jews like Murray Rothbard, the founder of the paleos?

The guy who thinks we should have competing governments and supports the PLO and the former Soviet Union?

There are sickos in every bunch. And according to David Blum he's not the father of the ["Jews took our jobs"] Paleos.

35 posted on 05/03/2003 9:42:15 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: SunStar
Paleocons: Buchanan, Ron Paul, Taki Theocrap, David Duke

Ron Paul doesn't belong in that group. Ron Paul would never be opposed to free trade for instance.

36 posted on 05/03/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: T'wit
Reagan (who was conservative long before the neo-cons awoke from 60s liberalism)

Pegging Reagan as a paleocon is highly dubious. Yeah, he left the Democratic party before the main exodus of neocons began, but he did so for the same reasons, indicative of the fact that California Democrats veered left earlier than their East coast counterparts. It's also hard to reconcile with Reagan's strong belief in free trade, or with the enthusiasm with which neocons flocked to his banner and the importance they played in his administration.

37 posted on 05/03/2003 9:44:00 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: asneditor
Read a little history (or at least a few posts). The Crusades had NOTHING to do with Christianity.
38 posted on 05/03/2003 9:45:44 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Well....the "former" Communist surrender monkeys in Poland (still members of the Socialist International) supported the war. These surrender monkeys have been praised on FR...therefore folks on FR support Socialism and defend surrender monkeys.

Oh, I guess you are referring to our formerly-communist Polish allies, who supplied special forces troops in Iraq?

Does this mean you supported the France/Russia/Germany view, as did other paleocons like Pat Buchanan? If so, do you support his attacks on neocons? Isn't that a "McCarthyite" attack?

Now...if you can find evidence that paleocons actually consider Duke to be a compatriot. Right now, you have nothing but sleaze

The paleocon worldview has a compatriot in Duke. There is not a need for them to openly consider him as such. Buchanan and "The American Conservative" (the self-proclaimed home of Paleoconservatism) rallies against anything that remotely helps the Jews. Their articles have included dismissive arguments against the Holocaust, and criticized the War on Terror as an Israeli proxy war. They have also aluded to the often debunked theory that Israel was behind 9/11. Since David Duke spouts the same nonsensical arguments and supports the Arabs over the Jews... you fill in the blank.

39 posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:56 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: widowithfoursons
I would be glad too. Please post me a few links.
40 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:13 AM PDT by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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