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Another Point: You can not go into a truly intellectual debate with predetermined assumptions but evangelical atheists and orthodox evolutionists do just that. When debating cosmology these people assume there is no God therefore they build their side of the debate on a fallacious foundation. There is no scientific proof that God does not exist just as there currently is no real scientific proof that God does exist. When one assumes God does not exist – they are in error right out of the gate (and this does not prove God exists either)

Disclaimer: I am currently agnostic. I am not truly convinced there is a God but I am not ignorant enough to assume there is not a God. I also believe it is possible the intelligence that might hold the universe together has little in common with man’s concept of God.

perhaps each scientific journal article should contain the footnote, "Or maybe Goddidit." After all, He may have created you, me, and everything we see last tuesday, right? Scientists ignore the supernatural in their work because they simply must. What good would lab work be if the caveat, "It may be divine." was part of every single experiment?

Where are these "orthodox atheist" churches you speak of. Where's my tax break for "belonging?"

I don't feel the need to address your tired old Micro/Macro non-issue. Please feel free to go back through this very thread to read up on such issues. Especially the lovely example re plate tectonics and our new pet theory of "intelligent drift." I think that snarky little example proves something. If not, we'll continue.

What makes us "uncomfortable" is the continued efforts of religionists to get their supernatural beliefs into the public schools. Creationists, under any nom de plume, are liars and deception artists. Their beliefs don't make me "uncomfortable" in the least. Their methodology does. I'm still waiting for some media hungry Buddhist or Hindi or something in one of these states (AL, KS, etc) to push for his creation myth in their schools. I can't believe it hasn't happened yet.

Oh, and Icarus, Congrats on that flying thing... none of us other mere homo sapiens have quite figured it out yet. (seriously, I can't imagine where you got that snippet from.)