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To: tortoise
The Creator may very well have a fundamentally materialist world view,

What? The Creator would have no use for a world view.

but with such an unimaginable level of power and technology

The Creator has no use for technology. Yes, infinite power is unimaginable to the finite being. I submit that you cannot even imagine finite power as the locked power in a handful of soil.

If the Creator exists in all His glory, He doesn't need to fit into any mold or box you can imagine. If He exists, the only thing you can know about him is that you know nothing.

To say that we can know nothing about God is to say that we can know something about Him. Your statement is, therefore, self-refuting. Not only does it refute itself but it assumes God to be aloof (another claim to know something about God) and that any knowledge about Him must be discovered by ourselves (another claim to know something about God). Have you considered the possibility that God not only can reveal Himself to us but has already done so?

493 posted on 05/04/2003 4:15:21 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
To say that we can know nothing about God is to say that we can know something about Him. Your statement is, therefore, self-refuting.

There are many classes of things that are "unknowable" in a strong sense. You are not reading this correctly at all. The special thing about this class of thing is that you can't know anything, as you can't even premise an assertion of existence. This is essentially a restatement of so-called "Strong Agnosticism", which asserts that the concept of God falls into this class of information and that we can therefore never know anything about God, including God's existence. It is an interesting argument from a mathematical perspective, as the only effective contrary argument is to assert a finite/causal God (though with such power that it appears infinite to us mere humans and not necessarily existing within our universe). I'm actually perfectly happy with the finite/causal God theory, because there is no evidence to the contrary and it doesn't restrict God's behavior in this universe yet it allows us to assert that we can know things about God without being totally irrational. Your word juggling (and not just in the above selection) reveals a very shallow understanding of the semantics.

By the way, your reading comprehension is really, really bad, so I am not even going to bother to respond to the rest of what you wrote. You set up all sorts of strawmen and read all manner of assertion in my statements that were never even stated. If you can't deal with what I wrote, I'm not interested in your response to things you imagine I asserted or implied.

522 posted on 05/04/2003 11:00:54 AM PDT by tortoise
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