[whattajoke]

I don't think Christians are threatened by evolution. They find it assinine.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for christianity. An entire branch of science brushed off as assinine. A curious lot, these christians... "I refuse to believe 150 yrs of research which explains the diversity of life very well in favor of an old story written by various folks 2000 yrs ago with an extremely limited worldview."

puh-leeze. ID is inherently cloaked in deception, which runs antithetical to what christianity is supposed to be about. It's a trumped up trojan horse with duplicitous intent: That is, so called "scientific creationism" didn't work because we were too up front regarding the Faith part of the deal. Lets dress it up, give it a new name, and try again."

Why these fools continue trying in forums other than actual scientific ones seems to be lost on the believers. Public debate, AiG/ICR comics, poorly formatted websites, and bright colored videotapes do not a scientific revolution make.

[f.Christian]

The GOD of the Old and New Testaments claims that HE inhabits eternity, and that there is no God before HIM.

HE also explains that HE created all that there is.

An Entity that is capable of creating the universe around us, and has the power to propel a galaxy 200,000 miles per hour, probably doesn't expect us to put HIM in a neat little box that we can completely understand.

For HIS clear and simple message relating to this, try the Book of Job. You will get HIS perspective on your question.

P.S. The Book of Job, thought by most theologians to be the oldest Book of the Bible, has been acknowledged by literary scholars as one of the finest pieces of literature to date.


256 posted on 04/28/2003 5:10 PM PDT by bondserv

[f.Christian]

To: DWPittelli

You're missing the point. The whole idea of individual liberty is rooted in rebellion, in the idea that "No one has the right to tell me what to do!". Evil began when Lucifer cried out his eternal non serviam to God in Heaven, and to this day human beings follow in his footsteps, refusing to submit their own wills to any authority.

Rebellion is pandemic in our society; everywhere, people cry out for freedom from Church, State, parents, teachers, or anything else that denies them the satiation of the senses or the deification of the Self. The worship of the goddess Liberty has become our national cult; piety towards our Creator and loyalty towards our ancestors (i.e. traditionalism) have been cast aside by our culture. Confronted with the majesty of God and His Law, we turn instead to the worship of the golden calf of that makes us happy -- our own selves. But there is no happiness there. There is no freedom there. There is only us, enslaved to our nerve endings for all eternity.

The freedom promised by this world is an illusion. Every man who "liberates" himselves from the Yoke of God only chains himself to the millstone of his own desires. The way of Self, as both Our Lord and the Buddha pointed out, is the most abject slavery of all. Only by dying to Self -- by renouncing the illusion of individual liberty and submitting our wills to God -- can we hope to live. In a very real sense, the only way to be free is to become a slave of Christ. "He that loses his life for My sake shall find it."

Only by acknowledging Jesus Christ as our LORD -- not our buddy or our peer but as our absolute Master -- can we ever be free. Christianity is a religion of humilty, not pride; of submission, not of independence. Only by throwing away our pride, by humbling ourselves before God and the authorities he institutes here on Earth (even when it hurts!), and by dedicating ourselves to obedience, order, and our duty can we ever cast of the shackles of unquenchable desire and truly be free.

"Where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty."


23 posted on 05/01/2003 1:40 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)

To: B-Chan

Very good ... protestant -- Christian -- republican -- hawaiian --- any questions !


27 posted on 05/01/2003 2:02 PM PDT by f.Christian (( The separation of state and religion means ... ideology // whacks --- NOT God ! ))

[Not Insane]

"An entire branch of science brushed off as assinine..."

As presented in some of it's forms, "evolution theory" is indeed scientific research. In many of it's forms as presented here, it is dogma. It is the latter to which he is referring.