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| 04/28/2003
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Posted on 05/02/2003 10:26:29 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: shawne; atlaw
Okay, how many different examples in the fossil record show change within a species? I don't understand. You want him to persuade you of something you already believe to be true? You did say "there is obvious change within a species", right?
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:00:14 PM PDT
by
general_re
(Ask me about my vow of silence!)
To: shawne
Crossposted with your disclaimer - ignore previous post.
342
posted on
05/03/2003 4:01:10 PM PDT
by
general_re
(Ask me about my vow of silence!)
To: shawne
But beneficial changes do not happen...and small changes do not add up over time. What mechanism prevents changes from ever being beneficial? What mechanism prevents changes from adding up? What evidence do you have for these assertions?
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Special pleading. You did not offer an answer at all. How did something outside the universe come into being? On what scientific basis or evidence can you assume an ultimate being would be subject to the physical laws of the universe that He created?
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:03:24 PM PDT
by
Dataman
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To: shawne
347
posted on
05/03/2003 4:04:24 PM PDT
by
atlaw
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To: VadeRetro
What mechanism prevents changes from ever being beneficial? What mechanism prevents changes from adding up? What evidence do you have for these assertions? Goddidit! Although I am not sure which particular god.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:06:39 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
To: whattajoke
This is not a "PBS produced video" as you claim. I stand corrected by whattajoke! (humiliating experience).
Isn't it also you, Dataman, lord of spelling and grammar, who likes to always add "(sic)" everytime someone you don't agree with has a typo or misspelling?
You found my other weakness. Corrected again! My problem isn't with people who can't spell. I just like to jab those who pretend to by hyper cephalic cold objective scientists and then procede tu mispel a grate numbr of simpl werds.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:07:58 PM PDT
by
Dataman
To: shawne
A little too cryptic. I don't see how inland seashells are anything but evidence of a global flood. To even suggest that their presence is evidence of continental drift is preposterous.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:08:04 PM PDT
by
atlaw
To: Dataman
On what scientific basis or evidence can you assume an ultimate being would be subject to the physical laws of the universe that He created? Assume? Assume? Do you even understand the stupidity of your own question?
352
posted on
05/03/2003 4:08:12 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: shawne
I want to see intermediaries of fish to elephant...come on.
Ah, demanding a 100% complete chart of every 'transitional' species in existence, the last desperate refuge of a defeated creationist.
Here's a hint: EVERY species is transitional. Evolution does not theorize a set of 'complete' life forms and a series of 'transitionals' in between them.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:11:51 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: balrog666
Do you even understand the stupidity of your own question? While it is and always has been obviously difficult for you both to answer simple questions and to exhibit a modicum of self-control, your high level of determination provides frequent reminders to us all.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:12:52 PM PDT
by
Dataman
To: Dataman; Doctor Stochastic
On what scientific basis or evidence can you assume an ultimate being would be subject to the physical laws of the universe that He created? On what logical or rhetorical basis do you get to shift the burden of proof away from the person making the original argument?
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:13:31 PM PDT
by
general_re
(Ask me about my vow of silence!)
To: general_re
Aside from the fact that it's obviously rather convenient for that person, of course...
357
posted on
05/03/2003 4:14:43 PM PDT
by
general_re
(Ask me about my vow of silence!)
To: shawne
358
posted on
05/03/2003 4:17:07 PM PDT
by
atlaw
To: Dataman
Here's how it works: Your brand of evo assumes entirely natural processes in its explanation of today's life forms.
What is "my brand of evo", or are you just making this up because you realise that you don't have any facts to support the lie that evolution depends on abiogenesis? Evolution deals with existing life forms. Yes, its explanations are purely naturalistic, but that only applies within the scope of the theory. The ultimate origins of life are NOT within the scope of evolutionary theory. Repeating this lie will not make it true, it only makes you a liar.
It just so happens that no matter what you call the philosophy, it holds to only the existence of matter and its motion.
When I speak of evolution, I speak of scientific theories, not of philosophies. Science can address nothing outside of natural phenomenon. That does not mean that it says that supernatural elements don't exist, but science cannot study them because they are outside of the realm of science. You are just making up my position, but you're getting it completely wrong. Tell me, do you realise that you're telling a lie when you claim that evolution is a philosophy or have you been repeating that canard so often that you've come to believe it?
Why do biology texts deal with the "primeval soup" and the spontaneous generation of life if it has nothing to do with evolution?
It might have something to do with the fact that evolution is not all that there is to biology.
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posted on
05/03/2003 4:17:40 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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