PBS Offers Intelligent Design Documentary

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[LiteKeeper]

I have a copy of this vvideo, and have almost worn it out from watching it so much!!!!!

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Stalin was as much of an anti-darwinist as Hitler was anti-homosexual. Which is to say, only as it served his purposes.

Go back and listen to his rhetoric. It is based on Marx's "Das Kapital" which in turn, was heavily influenced by Darwin.

Stalin talked often of social evolution.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Nothing new, but in order to gain credibility, the evolutionists are going to have to use non-ID tools only. Which brings up a conundrum. They can't, because there is no such animal.

[Not Insane]

"Everyone is now catastrophist.
huh? "

The evidence supports catastrophic change as opposed to gradual change. To the lay person, I think the first inkling of this was when talk of dinosours becoming extinct due to a comet or meteor became widespread. Do you remember the explanation before that?

[RomanCatholicProlifer]

ask Rene' Descartes if he used math science, or pure logic when he proved, using logic, that God does exist. If that bores you, try Pascal or Leibnitz, a few more guys who were into mathematics....just a little.

[Axolotl]

Correct, then when you have a perfectly reasonable explanation supported by a wealth of evidence ("see, the eye could evolve like this and in fact has done so more than once?"), they move on...well, then THIS next thing is too complex.

And on it goes 150 years hence.

[Not Insane]

"Wooooooooooooo-hoo, time to change your meds! "

You disagree, then?

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

But my entire point was that socialists tend more towards the Darwinian point of view, while capitalists do not.

[Doctor Stochastic]

When I see anything complex, I assume somebody made it, until I can prove otherwise.

Why do you assume somebody made it? Perhaps you could show something that is not "made." If everything is "made" the concept loses all explanatory value.

[Not Insane]

"Oh please, don't damn evolution because nutjobs abuse it."

I'm not. I was answering a question.

[Dimensio]

We see an old car rusting in a field and assume it was manufactured. Why? Because we know the manufacturer (it's a Chevy) We see a weed growing out of the engine block of that car, a weed that is FAR more complex in one of it's cells than the entire car and we assume it came about accidentally (no designer). Why? Because we don't know the designer.

Well, given that I can study the engineering development of an automobile, I've got more documentation on the design of the car than you can provide for the weed.

Well, some of us DO know the Designer and actually have a PERSONAL relationship with Him.

Perhaps you could point out how I might test for the existence of this designer? A phone number or e-mail address, perhaps?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Neither one of them has anything to say about HOW...

More accurately: Neither one of them has anything to say.

[f.Christian]

Good News For The Day

‘But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.’ (Matthew 6:33)

"Once there was a change in our family situation. Our pet dog passed away and we salved our grief by acquiring a new one-a blue cattle pup. He was intelligent and very mischievous. We had a lot of fun with him. while he was small, he would amuse us by trying to catch his own tail and bite it. He would spy the tip of his tail out of the corner of his eye, and, readying himself, lunge at it, as if hunting prey. But of course, the more he pounced, the more his tail moved out of his reach. The only way a dog can really have its tail is to allow it to be an attachment to its main body."

"The... tail comes along just fine---when it is not its owner's preoccupation."

"Jesus advises us that though there are many good and important things, only one can be most important-the kingdom of God and his righteousness. First things must come first. All of life, with its experiences, decisions and relationships, needs to be evaluated in light of the highest ideal."

"When God is given pride of place, the machinery of existence operates at its best."

[Aric2000]

Excuse me, capitalism and free enterprise is darwinism at it's best.

If you build a product that someone wants, then you make money and enjoy life, but if you blow it and create something that no one wants, your company dies and ceases to exist.

Capitalism is the economic theory of darwinism.

[Dimensio]

Why don't you figure out the probability of chaosing our way to the number of varying life forms present on earth. Think winning the lottery is hard?

Ooh, the argument from misapplied statistics. Always a fun one.

Though the original statement posed to you did contain an error. It is impossible to "prove" anything scientifically.

[Rocky]

Thanks for this post. I love this place. Where else can you keep abreast of all the important happenings?

[Not Insane]

"I think that you need to take the NOT off the front of your nick. "

I must admit that the personal insults are more subtle on this thread than on many others.

The results are the same, however.

[Dimensio]

ID cannot be proven to be false.

Then ID is not scientific.

[Axolotl]

The evidence supports catastrophic change as opposed to gradual change.

Not really...there have been important events (such as meteor impacts)and there has been much discussion about variation in rates of change, but these are subtleties.