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Song of concealed guns keeps repeating in Missouri
The Kansas City Star ^ | Friday, May 2, 2003 | LEWIS W. DIUGUID

Posted on 05/02/2003 8:45:17 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Some people never tire of the same old song.

In the Missouri General Assembly, the worn-out tune is the bill that would let people carry concealed guns under their clothing or in purses. They also could keep a firearm in the glove box or under the seat of their car.

Gun advocates for 12 years have tried to force this misguided measure into law. They drafted it as a referendum in 1999.

But voters didn't play along. Proposition B failed, with 52 percent of the voters opposing it.

This year the National Rifle Association and other gun lobbyists have a Republican-controlled legislature that wants to turn the conceal and carry bill into a statewide anthem. To no one's surprise, the Missouri House in March passed House Bill 349.

The Senate is expected to pass similar legislation before the session ends May 16. It's a bad sign of the times.

Crime is down, but fear and paranoia are up.

But concealed guns don't protect people. A recent Brookings Institution study showed that state laws allowing people to carry concealed firearms don't reduce crime and may even cause it to increase.

Since 1970, 33 states have passed concealed-carry laws. Thank goodness Missouri has been among the holdouts, outlawing concealed weapons since 1875.

The new bill would change that. It would enable people who are at least age 21 to have concealed weapons.

They'd have to have lived in the state at least six months or have permits issued by another state or local government. The bill also would allow out-of-state people to have concealed weapons in Missouri.

But there is no assurance that other states' laws are comparable to the one proposed here. Legislators are asking Missourians to "trust" that these guns will be in the right hands.

People who aren't citizens couldn't get concealed gun permits. That smells of fear borne from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, preventing documented and undocumented workers from enjoying this gun-toting "privilege."

Missouri's gun bill also surfaces as the Homeland Security law starts letting pilots carry concealed firearms onto passenger jets. Fear over the endless war against terrorism and the war in Iraq has even made some of my anti-gun friends talk of getting guns and concealed weapons permits.

That's never OK. A public packing guns like cell phones will only increase the likelihood of the weapons going off at the worst possible times.

Conceal and carry permits wouldn't be issued to people who in the previous five years had misdemeanor convictions for a crime of violence or more than one conviction for drunken driving or drug possession. People found mentally incompetent or committed to a mental institution in the previous five years would be ineligible.

But who's to say the five-year restriction is long enough or that someone who seems OK today will still be OK tomorrow? Then who's going to take away the gun and the concealed weapons permit?

To get the permits, people would have to receive at least eight hours of training and prove they can handle a revolver and semiautomatic handgun. They'd have to hit a target at a distance of 21 feet with 15 of 20 shots.

The gun bill does prohibit citizens from having concealed guns in police stations. But what about traffic stops, which put officers on the street at risk?

Citizens couldn't take their concealed guns into sports arenas seating more than 5,000 persons. But what about kids' games at fields statewide where parents often go ballistic?

Concealed guns would not be allowed at hospitals, day care centers, schools, casinos, airports, jails, bars, churches or other places of religious worship if the minister says no. But saying no is what legislators should be doing for everyone's safety.

The House miserably failed that public safety test. The Senate will likely flunk, too.

I hope Gov. Bob Holden does the right thing and vetoes the bill, as he's promised, preventing it from becoming a mournful statewide song.


Lewis W. Diuguid is a member of The Star's Editorial Board. To reach him, call (816) 234-4723 or send e-mail to Ldiuguid@kcstar.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; concealedcarry; guns
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Some people never tire of the same old song.

This is the same old song from Louis Do-Good.

He is always criticizing those who doggedly pursue what they believe are their firearm rights, but when his editorial board thinks the voters are wrong when they reject tax increases, they keep playing their same old song about how the tax should have passed and must therefore be reintroduced.

But voters didn't play along. Proposition B failed, with 52 percent of the voters opposing it.

Prop B passed everywhere in Missouri except St. Louis and Kansas City, which are run by corrupt democRAT machines supplemented by dead voters.

Legislators are asking Missourians to "trust" that these guns will be in the right hands.

The guns that would be in the wrong hands are already there.

Since 1970, 33 states have passed concealed-carry laws. Thank goodness Missouri has been among the holdouts, outlawing concealed weapons since 1875.

Those laws, Mr. Do-Good, were put there specifically to keep guns out of the hands of black people like you. They were never enforced against white people unless it was someone the sheriff wanted to get.

Fear over the endless war against terrorism and the war in Iraq has even made some of my anti-gun friends talk of getting guns and concealed weapons permits.

This is what you are really afraid of Mr. Do-Good. Even your own friends see the fallacy of gun control, and desire to protect themselves and their families from criminals who don't obey gun laws. I remember your editorial from last year when you were appalled that one of your friends brought her gun into your home in her purse. How dare she think she should be able to defend herself in your neighborhood.

The real problem here Louis is that you are afraid you are losing the war, both in the legislature and in the hearts and minds of your compatriots.

And you are losing.

1 posted on 05/02/2003 8:45:17 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: *bang_list
Hopefully I did that right...
2 posted on 05/02/2003 8:47:39 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: TroutStalker
"Crime is down, but fear and paranoia are up."

So, if true, why are the anti-gunners continuing to try to ban guns?
3 posted on 05/02/2003 8:47:47 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican ("hatemonger")
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To: TroutStalker
Good points, TroutStalker. I live for the day we can get a Republican governor back in this state. I think even the RatBags can't stand Holden. Hopefully next election!
4 posted on 05/02/2003 8:50:13 AM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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To: TroutStalker; Vic3O3
Louis Do-good is a worthless piece of liberal garbage as an editorial writer.

Personally, I'm darned glad I'm getting out of the Kansas?Missouri area. I've been fed up with the RINO's in Kansas for way to long. My employer offered me a chance to relocate to Texas and I jumped at it.

CCW here we come!

Semper Fi
5 posted on 05/02/2003 8:50:52 AM PDT by dd5339 (Where are the trolls when I need one? I feel like rending someone limb from limb!)
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To: TroutStalker
But what is the Editorial policy of the KC Star on this: for or against? Should not the writer have said?
6 posted on 05/02/2003 8:51:43 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:The Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: TroutStalker
'Do-good' is such a whiney puke. He says crime is down. That's BS. The Star is pretty selective on what makes the police blotter section of the paper. No one would believe the stuff that happens on the Plaza. I know after living there for twenty years and finally having had enough of the rapes and muggings and break-ins I moved.

You can be sure that if a CC law is passed in MO 'Do-good' will be packing something other than his bags although I'd prefer the latter.
7 posted on 05/02/2003 8:52:07 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (Spare yet effective and surprisingly well-coloured.)
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To: Lee Heggy
Guess the KC Star should have looked at the police blotter last night. Triple homocide around 56&Lydia and a multiple shooting over by Chubby's. Yea right, crime is down....

Semper Fi
8 posted on 05/02/2003 8:56:28 AM PDT by dd5339 (Where are the trolls when I need one? I feel like rending someone limb from limb!)
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To: EagleMamaMT
Holden likely may face a primary challenge, so the RATs can't be too pleased with him.
9 posted on 05/02/2003 8:58:56 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: flashbunny
Ya did good.

And so did the good people of Missouri!


10 posted on 05/02/2003 9:02:30 AM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: dd5339
Good luck in Texas. I'm sorry to see a pro-RKBA advocate leave Kansas. We need every vote we can get.
11 posted on 05/02/2003 9:02:55 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: Oztrich Boy
The KC Red Star is consistantly anti-concealed carry.
12 posted on 05/02/2003 9:03:44 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
Holden's a one termer. The Dems can't stand his awful combover.
13 posted on 05/02/2003 9:04:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TroutStalker
I'm praying that the CCW passes this time.
Mr. Do-Good should go back to whatever hole he crawled out of and let law abiding citizens protect themselves against those that wouldn't obey a CCW law anyway.
14 posted on 05/02/2003 9:05:16 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Lee Heggy
My daughter had an armed robbery occur to a client right outside here place of business. If we had concealed carry, she would have her Colt .45 Defender on her at all times.

I carried concealed for ten years in my home state and never had any problems at all.

15 posted on 05/02/2003 9:07:02 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: dd5339
Find a spot somewhere on Broadway between Westport and 31st street that is out of the possible line of fire and just watch what goes down on any average night. It will scare the hell out of anyone who believes 'Do-good' and his line of crap. I don't even go out anymore after dark. Not because I afraid as much as I don't want to ever have to shoot anyone again.
16 posted on 05/02/2003 9:07:35 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (Spare yet effective and surprisingly well-coloured.)
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To: TroutStalker
It's very funny that every state goes through the same old song and dance before privileged concealed carry is passed. All the papers and cop bosses cry about blood in the streets, and it never happens. Do they think their state will be the first to have a problem?
17 posted on 05/02/2003 9:08:53 AM PDT by cruiserman
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To: PatrioticAmerican
So, if true, why are the anti-gunners continuing to try to ban guns?

Um, because they're afraid and paranoid?

18 posted on 05/02/2003 9:09:46 AM PDT by Oberon (Oh, the huge manatee!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Maybe he will actually sign concealed carry, since he will then be a common citizen again, just like everyone else.

Oh, that's right, I'm sure he has sheriff friends who will make him a deputy.

19 posted on 05/02/2003 9:10:20 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: cruiserman
No, the first state to have that problem will be here in Kansas, when we finally get a governor with the balls to sign it.

Dodge City, remember. That's what they all warn against.

20 posted on 05/02/2003 9:14:22 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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