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To: Theyknow
I'm not a lawyer so I'll just give examples that have been in the news:

No prayer at football games or graduation. No expressions of faith at memorials for the Columbine killings. (How is that not hindering the free exercise of religion?) A kid cannot give a book report on a book about faith. Revisionist history writers remove references to faith from history books. A community cannot display a nativity at Christmas if they want to. Liberals claim that vouchers cannot allow families to CHOOSE religious schools. Liberals demand that religious groups be discriminated against in social services contracts (or anything else). Liberals in the California legislature want to force Bible bookstores to hire cross-dressers. Etc...

According to liberals, any (Republican) politician that expresses his faith is trying to establish a national religion. Bush is constantly bashed by the leftist media for expressing his faith. That's NOT what the Founders had in mind.

According to liberals, the words "Under God" or "In God We Trust" establishes a religion. And they sue at the drop of a hat. They are HOSTILE to all things relgious. I am sure they find the Declaration of Independence a violation of the Constitution.

According to liberals, a persons faith is an issue in their fitness for a judicial bench (see debates on current Bush nominees).

According to liberals, using one's faith as a moral guide in office is an establishment of religion. That's PRECISELY what the Founders WANTED to happen. It is NOT establishing a religion. (Under that theory, morality is religion so we can no law on the basis of morality.)

Regarding schools, the Bible was issued as a textbook for the first public schools. It clearly was not perceived as a violation of the First Amendment. The best solution is vouchers. That way parents and students can choose the school that fits. As it is, atheism, secularism, and humanism are mandated in the public schools.

90 posted on 05/02/2003 10:10:47 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
Though seperation of church and state does serve a purpose, notably the prevention of a theocracy, your examples demonstrate how the extreme is becoming the norm. I'm not optimistic about the future but will do my small part by continuing to vote Republican, if only to slow the inevitable.
91 posted on 05/02/2003 10:40:20 AM PDT by okiesap
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To: RAT Patrol
If the Hindus, Jews, Satanists, Wiccas, Buddhists, Moslems and others each demanded that their prayers were heard in all of the places would you consider that to be and encroachment into your faith? What if they used their moment to attempt to convert? Who should decide which prayers should be heard? Would you want your children praying to a God you don’t worship before school? How do you suggest the minority rights be protected? If you believe that the majority opinion should be the only one considered would you agree that in a prominently Hindu community the Christian children be required to pray as the majority does? If there were an atheist community, would you want them to promote that view in public gatherings? There is no law that prevents individuals to worship as they believe outside of public gatherings. If it is a religious gathering in a public place worship is permitted. The issue is whether religion should be included in nonreligious public events, and far from prohibiting religion the fact that it is not required gives individuals freedom from the imposition of a faith which is not theirs.

I am not in a position to defend liberals and their positions on the issues. I will say that what they think is not the law in many cases at least. In God we Trust is still on the dollar and will be there forever. There is a far cry between a wacko law suit and the change in the law.

As for vouchers would you be willing to send your child to a school which taught him a view that was repugnant in every way to you if it were the only school around? You tax dollars would support that school. Extremist Moslem schools indoctrinate the children to hate the evil Satan USA from the earliest moments, would you agree that your tax dollars should be used in the form of vouchers to support such an institution? If not, who would regulate what religious schools should be government supporte and which shouldn’t. Some government bureaucrat?
93 posted on 05/02/2003 10:46:35 AM PDT by Theyknow
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