[exmarine]

Actually, I have named a possible source of morals. Incredibly, it is the same source as you assert -- the source of man.

Which man? Ayn Rand? The U.N.? The U.S.? Who sets the universal standard for morals? One man's lie is another man's truth. This is mere moral relativism! And it doesn't work! So much for objectivism!

[laredo44]

An old legal maxim states:

When you have the facts, argue the facts.

When you have the law, argue the law.

When you have neither the facts nor the law, pound on the table and shout.

You're doing an awful lot of pounding and shouting, ex.