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To: stuartcr
I'm defending no one, and I am accusing no one. All peoples/govts/tribes/etc, throughout history, (and I would venture into the future), murder and steal from each other, and rationalize it. That is why I don't believe there are moral absolutes other than in theory, and even that is relative. Thankfully, the majority of humans are good people.

There are no good people in God's eyes. You are using observation of populations in order to conclude there are no moral absolutes. Just because a population is behaving in a certain way (murdering, stealing), that does not mean that is what they "ought" to do. Does it? Of course not, otherwise, you could not feel it is wrong. Why do you feel it is wrong to murder and steal? Is that your opinion or is there a universal moral law that says it is wrong? If relativism is true, then all you could say is that the behavior is taking place, but it would be improper for you to say the behavior is wrong - all you can say is that you don't prefer it. Bottom line: If there are no absolutes, then society or the individual is absolute. If society is absolute, then all societies are correct - no matter their beliefs or behavior. You may not like moral absolutism but it is the ONLY system that makes sense.

626 posted on 05/06/2003 12:53:13 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
I do not know what or how God sees. I am using observation of peoples, because that is all I have to observe the moral behavior of people. I never said people should act in any specific way, I said that people do behave as if morality is relative, with which you have agreed a number of times. If people always act as if morality is relative, than it seems that this is the way people are. As I said, as long as we have freewill, we will have moral relativity. I believe, as an example, the commandment says 'Thou shalt not kill'...is it ok to kill in self-defense? in abortion? in capital punishment? in a war? in order to take over a neighboring countries resources? in the heat of passion? in a criminal act? in a religious fervor?...the list goes on, and the morality is always relative to the situation, and this is only 1 commandment. Many have gone to war, not wanting to kill, but they did...why is that?
630 posted on 05/06/2003 1:23:56 PM PDT by stuartcr
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