[Hank Kerchief]

Objectivists never seem to be able to prove their claims...

It's true, many of the principles of Objectivism cannot be proved to many people, possibly most people. So what?

The principles of the Calculus cannot be proved to many people, possibly to most people. So what?

In both cases, they are true, and the fact that most people are to stupid to understand the proof, proves nothing.

Hank

[r9etb]

It's true, many of the principles of Objectivism cannot be proved to many people, possibly most people. So what?

It's also true that the principles of Objectivism cannot be proved as absolute, contradicting objectivism's claims to the contrary. There's plenty of evidence to prove just the opposite, in fact.

Objectivists claim that philosophies that contain contradictions are wrong. Et tu, Ayn Rand.

[Ga Rob]

I may be jumping in the deep end here but here goes anyway...

I agree with Hank, just because a vast majority of the population doesn't get something, is that a reason to say it is not valid or true? We all agree that calculus is real right? Not to be harsh, but a huge majority of the populace just walks around stealing oxygen from others, not that these people are not valuable, I mean hell we have o laugh at someone. I believe everyone takes a little of a philosophy or religon or dogma and crafts it for themselves and their situation. I look at myself as part of the world and that community...but I live my life by my own moral code. As long as my life and the way I live it do not harm others...what is the issue? If you break Rand down to the nitty gritty....that's what she is saying.

It seems to me that the conservatives who despise Rand are the Morality police, religous nuts..."live your life my way or your going to hell"(whatever that might be)folks that will continue to turn more tolerant people off from our cause.