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To: r9etb
It's true that neither you nor I believe such a thing. However, there are plenty of people who do believe in might makes right, and plenty of people who've become quite wealthy as a result of it.

I argue that those you claim believe in "might makes right" in fact do not. If they did, they would have no problem with the statement, "Person A should be able to push Person B around." All of their answers would contain some form of the condition, "True as long as I'm Person A."

Saddam Hussein was a "might makes right" kind of guy. But only so long as it was his might making the right. As soon as America's superior might threatened, he became a, "It's not right for America to use its might" kind of guy.

Because I truly believe that "right makes might" and that nobody really believes "might makes right" I can refute none of you refure none of your arguments. They are based on assumptions to which I do not subscribe.

354 posted on 05/02/2003 3:19:47 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Saddam Hussein was a "might makes right" kind of guy. But only so long as it was his might making the right. As soon as America's superior might threatened, he became a, "It's not right for America to use its might" kind of guy.

Well, yes -- that would be covered under the category of self-interest.

The point is, though, that we in this country are engaged in battle with people like the Clintons, and are faced with a situation where our liberties are steadily being eroded by governments at all levels.

The only way to stop this -- and then to reverse it -- is for a large majority of the population to behave and believe differently than they do now. But how does this change take place? Well, basically folks have to be convinced to change their minds.

Which brings us to objectivism. Objectivists claim that theirs is the only logical system, and so on; and that only a society based on Objectivist principles can succeed. They want the nation to act like objectivists.

The problem is, Objectivists make a lot of claims that are obviously false -- not the least of which is this stupid "we're logical and nobody else is" claim." Beyond that, their public face tends to be loud-mouthed and abusive (see this thread for some fine examples -- you being a notable exception).

And, of course, objectivist society is clearly not the only solution. It's obvious to any who look that the principles on which this country was founded, and the beliefs of the Framers, were definitely not objectivist. Sure, there are some common facets. But the Founders -- not to mention the population at large -- were religious, and they valued things like selfless devotion to public service. They believed that what one does in private, is of concern to the rest of us.

374 posted on 05/02/2003 7:34:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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