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Lautenberg Gun Control Bill Compared to Nazi Policies
CNSNews.com ^ | 4/30/03 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 05/01/2003 12:19:18 AM PDT by kattracks

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - New Jersey's Democratic senators moved Wednesday to tie their long-standing gun control agenda to homeland security and terrorism fears. Second Amendment advocates compared the proposal to the actions of Adolf Hitler's regime in Nazi Germany.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) announced his plans Wednesday to introduce legislation he calls the "Homeland Security Gun Safety Act," along with fellow New Jersey Democrat Jon Corzine, Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.).

Lautenberg claimed the proposal would close "loopholes" in current gun laws "that allow terrorists to access weapons and explosives inside our borders.

"As our government confiscates toenail scissors at airports, secures power plants, and increases domestic surveillance," Lautenberg said, "we're ignoring the most obvious threat that's out there, and that is the ease in [sic] which terrorists can access weapons in virtually any town across the country."

Under Lautenberg's proposal, any time the Homeland Security Threat Level rises to "elevated" or higher, law enforcement authorities would not be required to complete mandatory background checks on firearms purchasers within the current three-business-day limit. Unlike current law, which mandates near-immediate destruction of records of background checks if the sale is approved, Lautenberg's proposal would allow authorities to maintain the registry of new gun owners "indefinitely."

The Homeland Security Threat Level has been at the "elevated" level - or higher - since it was created following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Supporters of Second Amendment protections for armed citizens warn that the proposal would allow law enforcement agencies to block all gun sales in their jurisdictions by simply refusing to complete background checks. They note that Lautenberg's plan to maintain a registry of gun owners sounds very familiar.

"These are the very laws that were used by the Nazis to register everybody's guns, to confiscate the Jews' guns and then to commit genocide," said Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "Why the senator would want to do something as horrible as that, I can't understand."

Germany's "Law on Firearms and Ammunition" required all firearms to be registered with the federal government. Although the law was passed in 1928, prior to the Nazis coming to power, Hitler's regime used the registration lists to confiscate firearms belonging to Jews and suspected "sympathizers."

The bill would also impose nearly a dozen new restrictions on federally licensed firearms dealers, already the most heavily regulated industry in the U.S. The legislation would:

Lautenberg claims the changes will also reduce criminal violence.

"This bill will not affect the vast majority of honest, law-abiding Americans who want to purchase guns," he said. "The bill focuses on preventing weapons from getting into the hands of terrorists and criminals."

But Pratt noted that regulating legal purchases of firearms by law-abiding citizens has no positive impact on crime.

"And we know that there's no way it ever will because the English have a gun ban on an island, and all they got for their trouble is more crime with guns," Pratt noted. "The senator is absolutely wrong. He's lost the argument."

Closer to home, Pratt's organization notes that the District of Columbia enacted one of the strictest gun control laws in the nation in 1976. Since that time, the murder rate has dropped by two percent nationwide, while D.C.'s murder rate has increased by 134 percent.

Gun control supporters blame easy access to firearms in Virginia for the crime in the nation's capital. But Pratt pointed out that Arlington County, Virginia - which is just across the Potomac River from Washington - had a murder rate of 2.1 per 100,000 in 1999, compared to a murder rate of 46.1 per 100,000 in the District of Columbia. Even including all of the Virginia suburbs outside Washington brings the Virginia murder rate up to only 6.1 per 100,000.

'Gun Availability Changed This Person into a Criminal'

Nonetheless, Lautenberg still believes that the source of the problem is the availability of guns, not the violent intentions of those who use them criminally.

"We've had so many experiences where a criminal act suddenly erupted in a moment of outrage with a perfectly well-behaving citizen," Lautenberg charged. "The fact is that the gun availability changed this person into a criminal."

Pratt wondered aloud if Lautenberg wasn't voicing subconscious concerns about himself.

"He may be the kind of person that would go nuts with a gun," Pratt charged, "but most sane people have control of themselves, unlike the senator who apparently has no self-control.

"Normal people have no problem carrying a gun, bearing insults, suffering someone cutting them off in traffic and going on," Pratt added, "never pulling their gun."

Research Disputes Lautenberg's Claim

According to research published in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports between 1972 and 1995, firearms ownership increased by more than 100 percent, while the overall rate of both murders and murders committed with guns remained fairly constant.

In a 1996 study, researchers at the University of Chicago discovered that, contrary to Lautenberg's claim, the possession of guns by law-abiding citizens actually reduced violent crime.

John Lott and David Mustard found that states with laws allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms reduced murders by nearly nine percent, rapes by five percent, aggravated assaults by seven percent and robbery by three percent.

If states without concealed carry laws had adopted them in 1992, the pair estimated that approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and more than 11,000 robberies would have been avoided annually.

Pratt pointed to those statistics and again questioned the motives behind Lautenberg's latest gun control bill.

"He and everybody else who supports that kind of legislation are just absolutely wrong," Pratt concluded. "There is no empirical basis for gun control, and the only reason you could be advocating it is because you must have the same objectives that the Nazis had."

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To: Travis McGee
No surprise here, really.

Lautenberg is the lowest form of scum. To creatures like him, 9-11 was the perfect "Reichstag Fire" with which to promote their statist agenda.


21 posted on 05/02/2003 5:29:25 AM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
Not quite perfect. The perp would need to be a white Christian gun-toting redneck.
22 posted on 05/02/2003 7:27:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- I don't own any "assault rifles," just Homeland Defense Rifles. It's my patriotic duty. ---)
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To: kattracks
Can we try Lautenberg and his cronies as Traitors now?

Please?

23 posted on 05/02/2003 7:32:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: willstayfree
Lautenburg and company got it exactly backwards!

I completely agree with you!

25 posted on 05/02/2003 7:58:25 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Travis McGee
Sorry for delayed response....I just saw it NOW! : )

Hopefully he is too old to serve as Hillary's Attorney General.

Hopefully, you're right.....I can't believe these kinds of people get elected, time and again. What's wrong with many Americans??? Are they this stupid? Do they really not realize what they're doing by electing people like Hitlery, Lautenberg, Schumer, Rangel, Boxer, Daschole, Watson, Jackson Lee, Stark....where did we get all the commies in our country?

26 posted on 05/02/2003 8:01:39 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: kattracks
Nonetheless, Lautenberg still believes that the source of the problem is the availability of guns, not the violent intentions of those who use them criminally. "We've had so many experiences where a criminal act suddenly erupted in a moment of outrage with a perfectly well-behaving citizen," Lautenberg charged. "The fact is that the gun availability changed this person into a criminal."

Pratt wondered aloud if Lautenberg wasn't voicing subconscious concerns about himself.

"He may be the kind of person that would go nuts with a gun," Pratt charged, "but most sane people have control of themselves, unlike the senator who apparently has no self-control.

"Normal people have no problem carrying a gun, bearing insults, suffering someone cutting them off in traffic and going on," Pratt added, "never pulling their gun."

There are 80-85 million gun owners in the US. If only 1 in a thousand were as unstable as Lousyberg thinks us to be, and each of those 1 in 1,000 murdered "only" 1 person, then we'd have over 80,000 murders per year. As it is total deaths caused by someone pulling the trigger on a gun is around 30,000 - and many of those are perfectly justified acts of self-defense (i.e. cops shooting perps, citizens killing criminals to protect their lives, etc.). Many are suicide, which hardly qualifies as "a moment of outrage" - those are people who have had problems for a long time, and just haven't gotten the right help.

Even under the most optimistic (from Lousyberg's viewpoint) scenario (all deaths caused by gunshots are murder, and each shooter is a different person), less than 4 in 10,000 gun owners committs a crime. Yup, that certainly justifies draconian laws that apply to the remaining 9,996!

Eff that old bustard. I hope he drops dead (of natural causes, of course), and that the folks in NJ come to their senses and elect someone with some grey matter between his ears and some morality in his heart. And, yes, I dream way too much.

27 posted on 05/02/2003 11:56:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: nicmarlo
A big chunk of this country IS commie in their heart.
28 posted on 05/02/2003 2:03:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks
Lautenberg and Corzine are elitist Nazi's. We all knew that. Jack Reed wrote a registration bill awhile back.

Oh yeah! Ted Kennedy. He's proof that criminals support gun grabs...

29 posted on 05/02/2003 2:15:22 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: Travis McGee
Unfortunately, you are probably right.....thanks to the edukators in publik skool who were told what to teach in the kolleges.
30 posted on 05/02/2003 3:14:44 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
You've got that right!
31 posted on 05/02/2003 3:19:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
bump
32 posted on 05/02/2003 9:01:22 PM PDT by follow the money
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To: kattracks
"We've had so many experiences where a criminal act suddenly erupted in a moment of outrage with a perfectly well-behaving citizen," Lautenberg charged

Well-behaving, my eye.

"The fact is that the gun availability changed this person into a criminal."

There he goes again, blaming the inanimate object. I guess 'personal reponsibity' isn't in this guy's vocabulary.

33 posted on 05/03/2003 8:12:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: nicmarlo
Hopefully, you're right.....I can't believe these kinds of people get elected, time and again. What's wrong with many Americans??? Are they this stupid? Do they really not realize what they're doing by electing people like Hitlery, Lautenberg, Schumer, Rangel, Boxer, Daschole, Watson, Jackson Lee, Stark....where did we get all the commies in our country?

Well, I wish it was just stupid. Problem is, those neighbors voting for Lautenberg, Schumeer, Hillary etc are not really so much stupid, as evil. When someone pulls the lever for Lautenberg, it is not a "I am stupid see me vote" vote, it is more of a "I am evil. I hate you and your Constitution and Bill of Rights and I'll continue to piss on your way of life because I hate you and your Bill of Rights so deal with my vote", vote.

My point is: Let us not lose evil in the camo of stupidity. It is wiser to simply acknowledge many in America would rather die than live by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

34 posted on 05/03/2003 8:53:03 PM PDT by FreeRadical (gunraffles.org -- don't leave freedom to chance)
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To: FreeRadical
Let us not lose evil in the camo of stupidity. It is wiser to simply acknowledge many in America would rather die than live by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

That is something totally alien to my thoughts; but then, neither am I evil. There is at least an element of truth to what you say. But some must just be stupid, and many more selfish.....they want some hand outs.....that's what's most important to those folks.

35 posted on 05/03/2003 8:56:18 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
But some must just be stupid, and many more selfish.....they want some hand outs.....that's what's most important to those folks.

Well, I dont' know. I want to give the bad guys the benefit of the doubt. That is, think they are just stupid, or just selfishly looking for a handout or whatever when they vote for hillary or schumer or boxer or lautenberg or whatever. But... But, I just can't.

I really do think that evil, the dark side, the devil, whatever the hell we choose to call it, is driving the presence of these people in our midst.

When Suzie the Socialist in Schenectady pulls the lever for Schumer, she knows what she is doing. She screams to you and me: "I hate you. I hate your Constitution and Bill of Rights. I think you are wrong and I do not want you as my neighbor, you freedom loving freak."

Anyway, I just think it is a good thing to not let Suzie catch a break. She must be properly registered as an evil agent of the dark side and all the "why don't we just get along", "we are really not that far apart", "she's my neighbor" rationalizing in the world will only do one thing:

enable her.

36 posted on 05/03/2003 9:59:59 PM PDT by FreeRadical (gundealers.com -- Find a Dealer. Be a Dealer. Become a Dealer.)
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To: FreeRadical
I really do think that evil, the dark side, the devil, whatever the hell we choose to call it, is driving the presence of these people in our midst.

I certainly do believe this, too.

37 posted on 05/04/2003 2:52:46 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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