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Beijing's credibility test over Sars - Bao Tong, Zhao Ziyang
BBC ^
| 4-30-03
| hang Lifen
Posted on 04/30/2003 7:38:40 AM PDT by tallhappy
Beijing's credibility test over Sars
By Zhang Lifen
BBC World Service
Heads have finally rolled over the Chinese government's inaction and cover-up of the Sars virus.
Sacking the health minister and mayor of Beijing may calm public anger and demonstrate the resolve of the new leadership under Hu Jintao, who took over as President in March.
But the problem does not end there. The mishandling of the crisis has put China's political and administrative system in the dock. And to the surprise of many seasoned China watchers, the Chinese media has raised the previously taboo subject of political reform and democratic governance.
"China should build up a national system of honest politics and administration as early as possible to prevent corruption" said Professor Hu Angang, in an article published on the website of the People's Daily, the ruling Communist Party's official newspaper.
The Chinese leadership is acutely aware of the need to salvage the government's much-dented creditability, both at home and abroad.
If things go well, fine. But if they don't go well, then Mr Hu's position as party secretary could be in danger
Wu Guoguang, Chinese University of Hong Kong
Ever since Deng Xiaoping came to power in the late 1970s, China's rulers have relied on the country's economic success for their legitimacy. The leadership believed that so long as people felt their daily lives were improving, they would not worry about one-party rule or political reform, with all its risks of social upheaval.
Under Jiang Zemin, Deng's successor, China's considerable economic growth and material improvements for large sections of Chinese society continued to obscure the underlying fact that the Communist Party, so long as it remained an unelected, one-party ruler, lacked popular legitimacy.
There is agreement among China watchers that one of the main reasons for China concealing the true picture of Sars was to protect its glossy image for foreign investors, guarantors of sustained economic growth.
Power struggle
The strategy has now back-fired. And the short-term deception could carry a huge price in the long run, both economically and politically.
Bao Tong, political secretary to the disgraced party chief Zhao Ziyang, pointed out in a recent analysis on Sars that the politicization and manipulation of news has been second nature to the Communist Party ever since it took power.
Unfortunately, the practice of manipulating information goes further. For instance, China's dealing with the WHO, the UN's public health body, also presents a costly lesson.
By being secretive and concealing the full picture when the virus first emerged in November, China effectively turned down an expert helping hand and a much-needed sympathetic partner in combating the unknown epidemic.
The Sars crisis also raises the spectre of a possible political power struggle. The Chinese rumour mill has been working hard recently, with serious concerns being raised about Hu Jintao's political future if the crisis gets worse.
Wu Guoguang, a former government aid who now lectures at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said Jiang Zemin and his protégé, Zeng Qinghong, were waiting to see what happened next.
Under one scenario, China could emerge as more honest and more confident in dealing with itself and the world
"If things go well, fine. But if they don't go well, then Mr Hu's position as party secretary could be in danger," he said.
"Hu Jintao could become the scapegoat in a power struggle, with Mr. Zeng taking real power," he said.
Despite these worries, some good could still come out of the Sars crisis.
It may seem unfortunate for Mr Hu and the rest of the newly-installed leadership that they face one of the Communist Party's biggest credibility tests so soon after taking power.
But it could become their finest hour. Under one scenario, China could emerge as more honest and more confident in dealing with itself and the world.
But to achieve this, China needs to urgently move towards establishing a genuine civil service so that its government can become open, transparent and accountable. In doing so, it would nurture citizenship and people's confidence in the system, rather than in individual politicians.
Government credibility is key for all that to happen.
One thing seems certain. Without credibility, China watchers argue, the country's economic and modernisation hopes are at risk. More seriously, if the Sars crisis spills over and causes political instability, that would alarm the rest of the world.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baotong; china; communists; sars; taiananmensquare; zhaoziyang
Quite the timing for this article.
Now is the time.
Zhao died today. The ChiComs will be in serious prevent defense mode.
A tense and dangerous time coming up in China now for a lot of reasons all coming together.
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posted on
04/30/2003 7:38:40 AM PDT
by
tallhappy
To: Allan
Ping.
2
posted on
04/30/2003 7:43:48 AM PDT
by
Mitchell
To: tallhappy
Zhao died today? Was it of SARS? Are the Chicoms able to protect their leaders from the disease?
To: tallhappy
"But it could become their finest hour. Under one scenario, China could emerge as more honest and more confident in dealing with itself and the world."
Keep dreaming.
To: aristeides
Zhao died today? Was it of SARS? Are the Chicoms able to protect their leaders from the disease? Doubt it was Sars. He was 82 or so and was under his own form of quaratine called house arrest.
He's not one of their leaders.
He was purged for not wanting to kill the people in 1989. Jiang Zemin was chosen to replace him.
His death could set off wide spread opposition to the regime -- and given the Sars tenseness it is a nightmare scenario for the communists.
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posted on
04/30/2003 7:53:12 AM PDT
by
tallhappy
To: tallhappy; aristeides
>A tense and
dangerous time coming up in China now for a lot of reasons all coming together.
>Are the Chicoms able to
protect their leaders from the disease?
Check out the old link
below. Let's hope China's brass
doesn't believe SARS
is a Western thrust...
And let's hope that the writer
is at least somewhat
mis-informed about
our military versus
their military --
War With China
Charles R. Smith
Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2001 On the first day of World War III, the United States lost two-thirds of its military and nearly half its population, yielding superiority to communist China. U.S. orders of the day were of high alert, and there is simply no evading the fact that we were not ready.
The Chinese rain of missiles on U.S. installations and homeland cities was a military masterpiece. The People's Liberation Army Second Artillery Corp achieved complete surprise, armed only with a small force of more than 300 tactical and 10 strategic missiles.
Defenseless against the attack, U.S. forces in Hawaii, Alaska, South Korea and Japan were quickly overwhelmed by the guided warheads of the Chinese missiles. The bombs plunged out of the inky blackness of space, striking within seconds of each other. The rain of death fell swiftly upon a sleeping America with precise and devastating accuracy.
In a span of little more than 30 minutes, China wiped out Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Chicago, Washington, Boston, New York, Hawaii, Manila, Seoul, Taipei and Tokyo.
China sank five U.S. carriers, seven Ohio class submarines, vaporized more than 200 MX and Minuteman missiles and destroyed more than 800 combat aircraft including 15 B-2 strategic bombers. The strikes also killed more than 100 million people without the loss of a single PLA soldier. ...
To: tallhappy
Zhao died today?
Where did you get the news? It's not in the news yet. I am not doubting you. I am afraid that it migt be another cover up.
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posted on
04/30/2003 10:35:55 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(China is the hub of all evil)
To: tallhappy
Sorry, I found the news.
Kyodo said Zhao Ziyang died on April 28. That was three days ago. It is highly unusual for such a long delay for the official announcement of a high official's death. Such practice suggest another cover-up and news blackout after the SARS debacle. I doubt that they will ever announce it. The new administration is very shaky. Below: from Kyodo
Former Chinese PM Zhao Ziyang dies of heart ailment: Kyodo
Japan's Kyodo news agency says former Chinese Communist Party chief and Prime Minister Zhao Ziyang has died of heart ailment, but other sources suggest the elderly reformer is still alive and well. Kyodo said Mr Zhao died in a Beijing hospital on April 28 at the age of 83. There was no official word from China's state media. Mr Zhao became the party's general secretary in 1987 and advocated economic reforms and an open foreign policy. But he was ousted from his posts in 1989 as he opposed a policy of oppression and sought dialogue with pro-democracy students demonstrating in Tiananmen Square.
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posted on
04/30/2003 10:55:04 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
Thanks for your comments.
The people of China probably don't know yet.
I was wondering why this hadn't hit the news. It is a major story.
The ChiComs are in full scale panic mode I am sure.
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posted on
04/30/2003 11:13:49 AM PDT
by
tallhappy
To: tallhappy; FreepForever
> I was wondering why this hadn't hit the news. It is a major story. The ChiComs are in
full scale panic mode I am sure.
Strangely, money talks,
and, also strangely, money
ain't in panic mode --
Warren Buffett Bets on China -- Should You?:
William Pesek Jr.
By William Pesek Jr.
Tokyo,April 30 [!?] (Bloomberg) -- Warren Buffett's search for cheap stocks has brought him to a surprising place: China.
A month after telling Berkshire Hathaway Inc. shareholders U.S. shares were too expensive, Buffett's company upped its stake in PetroChina Co.
It's an intriguing move for a man not known for risky foreign investments. You would think China's dodgy corporate governance, fragile financial system and questions about social stability would keep value investors like Buffett away. China's crisis with the deadly virus causing severe acute respiratory syndrome could be another cause for concern.
That hasn't stopped Berkshire Hathaway from boosting its stake in China's largest oil producer to 13.35 percent, making it the No. 3 investor in the company's traded stock. While Buffett is always reticent to explain his investments, we can surmise two things from the move. One, some of China's biggest companies are trading cheap. Two, Buffett is gaining confidence in China as a long-term investment.
The 72-year-old billionaire isn't a big fan of emerging- market investments -- unless he's getting a real bargain. One could argue PetroChina is such a stock; as of last week it was trading at 6.3 times its estimated earnings this year. Exxon Mobil Corp. and BP Plc were both trading at 17 times estimated earnings.
Buffett's Sway
The biggest question is whether Buffett is right to view Chinese companies, or China in general, as a good long-term investment. While the answer is many years away, the significance of Buffett's PetroChina stake shouldn't be lost. It will sway other investors to follow suit.
That could be a huge plus for China's economy, and investors in it. ...
To: tallhappy
I have just checked some Chinese BBS/forum sites. No news about this within the last few days. Also, Premier Wan JaiBao, who was attending the SARS conference in Bangkok cut short his visit (he stayed in Bangkok for under 24 hours) to get back to China. There must be something unusual but he just didn't want to cause alarm.
If my guess is correct, some units of the Peoples Liberation Army will soon be put on alert for any public demonstration in memory of their well loved and remembered leader. In 1989, public memorial demonstrations for Hu YaoBang triggered off the month long protest which ended up in the Tiananmen massacre which shocked the whole world.
The situation doesn't look good. My worry is: Jiang and the ultra-left faction of the CCP may see this as an opportunity to depose Hu JinTao. Let's keep a close watch on this. Give me a ping when you've got more news. Thanks!!
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posted on
04/30/2003 11:41:43 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(China is the hub of all evil)
To: theFIRMbss
Dream on. Let me quote Brain Allen's previous post below:
I live in Asia around 11 months of the year and have spent almost half of the past 40 years here. In that time I have never been in a country in which and about which more lies are told [Particularly by CNN-like American "business consultants"] than China -- and/or in which lying and looting and stealing and counterfeiting and corruption is so much an everyday to day part of living.
And nor have I ever come across a more accurate synopsis of the real "china prospects" than those so plainly stated by John Derbyshire in his reviews here and elsewhere of the works of other "old 'china' hands," Joe Studwell and Gordon Chang -- who also know the real "china."
To believe the much-vaunted Peking-based pack of invading, colonizing, enslaving, mass-murdering, [More than one hundred million -- and counting!] lying, looting, thieving gangster bastards that so grandiosely self-styles itself, "china" -- snatchers of power from other despotic dictatorships that, in "5000 years of history" haven't yet managed to invent so much as a form of government worthy of the name -- is to amount to anything more than, say, the Soviet Union, is to believe in fairies.
Dictatorships exist only to keep themselves in power and will eat their own young to hang on to it -- and Peking's gangster/tyrant "politicians" are no exception to that rule.
Book Review by John Derbyshire
The Washington Times - April 14 2002
Dream On
The China Dream - By Joe Studwell
Atlantic Monthly Press - 360 pp. $27.00
The dream of Joe Studwell's title is the dream of the China market: of 1.3 billion consumers just waiting to be sold clothes, medicine, cars, toothpaste, or whatever else the dreamer has to offer. As an English writer of the 1840s put it: "If we could only persuade every person in China to lengthen his shirttail by a foot, we could keep the mills of Lancashire working round the clock." The dream has been dreamed by many westerners across many centuries. For a very few - the opium merchants of the 19th century, the fast-food franchisers of our own time - it has actually come true. Much, much more often, it has proved to be only a dream, the waking from which has sometimes been abrupt and unpleasant.
In recent years there have been three cycles of dreaming and waking for foreign businessmen eager to tap into the China market. The first cycle began in the early 1980s, after a 50-year period when dreaming about China was out of fashion altogether. With the ascendancy of Deng Xiaoping's faction following Mao's death, it became clear that the fantasy economics of the Mao period had definitely been abandoned. So far as industry was concerned, they had mostly been abandoned in favor of the kind of incentivized state socialism attempted in Eastern Europe twenty years before. This was not much noticed, however. What was noticed was Deng's maxim "to get rich is glorious," and the revitalization of Chinese agriculture that followed the retreat from collective farming, and the surge in disposable incomes among urban Chinese from a Mao-era base very close to zero. Western businessmen, dreaming the dream, poured in to set up "joint ventures" with Chinese partners.
The massacres of June 1989 are a convenient punctuation mark for the end of this first dream cycle. Many businessmen had already woken even before that, though; the book Beijing Jeep, published earlier that same year, told the dismal story of a typical "joint venture" fiasco.
The atmosphere of widespread state terror that followed the massacres offered a splendid opportunity for the Chinese government to administer some unpleasant medicine to an overheated economy. When this had been done to the leadership's satisfaction, Deng started the second cycle of dreaming with his famous "southern tour" of early 1992, in which he urged his countrymen to go for maximum economic growth. Following the massacres it was clear that the Communist Party had no intention of going away; but it seemed, from Deng's 1992 speeches, that it might be willing to leave the economy alone. This all happened just as the rising fad for "globalization" was seizing the attention of western business people. Once again, the dream took flight.
The actual experience of western business in China during the 1990s was closely watched by Joe Studwell, a writer on business and economics - he is founder and editor-in-chief of the excellent China Economic Quarterly - who lived in China for the entire decade. He saw the 1990s flood of dreamers arrive, bright-eyed and eager to engage this new, busy China. He watched the bright eyes glaze over as the reality of China gradually revealed itself to them. Signed agreements and "memoranda of understanding" turned out to be worthless; court rulings were not enforced; state-owned enterprises were exempt from costly environmental regulations; expensive licenses, processed by lackadaisical bureaucrats, were required at every turn; counterfeiting and abuse of intellectual property rights were rampant; the early-1990s purchasing-power models for the disposable income of the Chinese turned out to be too optimistic; ad hoc technical standards were used to impede trade; local management personnel were scarce, and of poor quality. As difficulties multiplied, the dream faded.
Then, in December last year, China's accession to the World Trade Organization became official. As this author points out: The government committed to the WTO from a position of weakness, not strength, because of quiet desperation, not unified political resolve. It reached for an outside force to do a job it was failing to do itself - the deregulation and de-bureaucratization of China's economy.
WTO accession arrived just as serious disillusion was setting in among foreign investors in China. There are signs that it has initiated a third cycle of dreaming. Certainly the Chinese government hopes this is so. Knowing that they cannot solve their country's economic problems without making political reforms they are unwilling to contemplate, China's communists hope that the standards implicit in WTO membership, and the compulsory procedures for resolving disputes between members, will, all by themselves, force China's domestic economy to shape up.
Joe Studwell shows convincingly why this is unlikely to happen.
The China Dream will inevitably be compared with last fall's book on the same topic, Gordon Chang's The Coming Collapse of China. [Which I reviewed in these pages 8/12/01]
Studwell's book is lighter on cultural insights than Chang's, but better organized and richer in hard economic facts. He notes, and abundantly documents, such large and intractable truths as the following:
For all the talk of reform, of retreat from socialism, of the unleashing of the energies of the Chinese people, and so on, government payrolls increased all through the 1980s and 1990s.
From being debt-free in 1979, China is now saddled with liabilities that will soon make it the world's most indebted nation.
"Given the state's determination to micromanage economic activity, there [is] almost no strictly legal way for foreign investors to make money."
Studwell offers two possibilities for China's near future: a long period of stagnation and low growth like the one Japan has been enduring, or a major fiscal crisis, with runs on the banks followed by Latin-American levels of instability and social disorder. He notes that neither scenario offers a very exact analogy to China: a stagnant debt-crushed economy with a per capita GNP of $25K per annum is not the same thing as one with $300.00 per annum, and Argentina has never had either Chinese levels of social and political control or modern China's imperial responsibilities and hegemonic ambitions.
The author's advice to foreign investors is to use the country as a manufacturing base for exports [If you can squeeze in among all the overseas-Chinese doing exactly that] -- but to engage in the domestic market only with utmost caution. It sounds right to me, though given the violence of regime change in China, and the xenophobic outbursts that traditionally accompany such change, I would add one more thing:
Keep a suitcase packed and ready under your bed at all times.
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posted on
04/30/2003 11:46:48 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
Again, great comments and observations.
As far as the military, I think they were already on alert due simply to the Sars hysteria.
Check out #10 at this link, about military directives
If Zhao is dead, it exacerbates the issues greatly.
To: FreepForever
This
usenet post says Sing Tao reported Zhao recuperated and is in Hangzhou.
So there is a denial coming from the ChiComs that Zhao died.
Very interesting. I don't know what is true.
To: FreepForever
Here also is a report where Ruan Ming, a former Zhao associate who escaped after Tiananmen and has lived and written in Taiwan (and LA) says Zhao is alive.
link
But Ruan says he's in Beijing.
To: FreepForever
If my guess is correct, some units of the Peoples Liberation Army will soon be put on alert for any public demonstration in memory of their well loved and remembered leader. In 1989, public memorial demonstrations for Hu YaoBang triggered off the month long protest which ended up in the Tiananmen massacre which shocked the whole world. Students were already protesting for democracy in 1987, two years before HU Yao Bang's death in (April?) 1989, which sparked a renewed push for democracy. I don't know whether there's been any similar sentiment brewing in China lately, other than the falun gong movement from a few years ago.
Coupled with their people's fear of catching SARS from large gatherings, as well as a potential martial law prohibition of public gatherings, there might not be any significant protests at all.
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posted on
04/30/2003 3:12:06 PM PDT
by
heleny
To: FreepForever
>To believe the much-vaunted Peking-based pack of invading, colonizing, enslaving, mass-murdering, [More than one hundred million -- and counting!] lying, looting, thieving gangster bastards that so grandiosely self-styles itself, "china" -- snatchers of power from other despotic dictatorships that, in "5000 years of history" haven't yet managed to invent so much as a form of government worthy of the name -- is to amount to anything more than, say, the Soviet Union, is to believe in fairies.

Well, both here at home
and over seas, to make sense
of things we have to
look past surfaces
and recognize deep water
when it's there to see...
Thousand year old art [!]
like this doesn't grow out of
a corrupt culture.
However shallow
and exploitative today's
Chinese rulers are,
every citizen
has a direct connection
to a tradition
of art and nature
and civilized living that
is beyond belief.
Nobody should judge
us by Bill or Hillary.
We should be careful
judging all China
just by visible, modern
political crap.
To: theFIRMbss
I am sure the "China" Brain Allen's is referring to is the Chinese Communist Party and not the Chinese culture.
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posted on
05/01/2003 12:45:29 PM PDT
by
FreepForever
(China is the hub of all evil)
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