The Slaughterhouse Cases, the Key to Controlling Illegal Immigration?

US Supreme Court ^ | 1872 | MILLER, J., Opinion of the Court

[Carry_Okie]

This is the first interpretation of the 14th Amendment on record.
The following text is from the majority opinion (about 3/4 of the way down the page):

http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/foliocgi.exe/historic/query=[group+f_slavery!3A]/doc/{@6621}/hit_headings/words=4

Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) (USSC+)
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MILLER, J., Opinion of the Court

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.

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[Reaganwuzthebest]

machines have not replaced manual labor in farmfields.

That's right, and that's the problem isn't it? If farms were fully mechanized there'd be no excuse to take in hordes of illegal aliens who are sucking the lifeblood out of our social welfare system. If we closed the border, then maybe farmers and the government would be forced to get with the program.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

You want to see Americans have more babies? Let them keep their tax dollars to support their own families instead of confiscating them to support the families of illegal aliens.

And it wouldn't take long before we'd start hearing from the pro-illegal immigration crowd that encouraging Americans to have babies is racist. I have already heard that nonsense in the past when Buchanan suggested it.

[liberalnot]

when i was a kid i did not know anyone that did not work at home, in the afternoons after school, on the weekends, and in the summers. i grew up on a dairy farm and my father was famous for working 15 hour days, and he needed my brother and me as much as we were available, before school, after school, the weekends, and all summers.

today, in southern california no kid works if his parents are economically sufficient, and that's a relative term. surprisingly to me, many kids from poor families do not work. this is just the opposite of the immigrant in america experience before the late 20th c. the democrats and labor unions are partly responsible for legislation of "child labor laws".

asian and middle eastern kids often work in their family businesses, but again, after a certain level of prosperity is achieved, the kids do not work. drive over to uci or ucla and look at the new honda's, bmw's, etc.

if i had anything to say about it, all kids would work. i believe in the work ethic. there's a lot to be said for practical experience in life. too many people today have no idea how anything works. you encounter these people, both young and older, everywhere. incidentally, there'd be less fast food junk thrown onto the parking lots at night, and there'd be more respect for janitors in public schools, simply because kids would have the experience of cleaning up after others.


as bill handel on radio kfi said, "my kids are not flipping burgers"! the implication was that it was ok for kids less fortunate, and certainly for immigrants.

and certainly, if american teens worked in fast food, etc., there would be less need for immigrants. si.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

What's happening here is you see what's going on in your world and I see what's going on in mine 2000 miles away. We don't have too many illegals yet where I live, and teenagers are working in fast food places, they're doing landscaping, some even work on farms and orchard fields. There's no major problem filling these jobs with American kids.

Maybe where you are it's different because they prefer not to work around 40 year old men who don't even speak English, I've heard that complaint, the illegals move in and take over.

Judging by what I see in my area, if all the illegals were deported tomorrow, our economy would hum along just fine. There might be some inflation initially, but the savings in social costs alone would more than make up for it.

[4Freedom]

Well, at least the pro-illegal immigration crowd would be admitting that America's low birth rate was caused more by confiscatory tax rates than by feminism, with their screams of protest. ;^)

[FITZ]

mexico and the u.s. are hardly comparable, in fact, we have almost opposite problems.

And exactly why are they so far apart? Mexico and the US are part of the same land mass, which means the natural resources are the same ---we both have lots. We both have Pacific and Atlantic Ocean coasts, Mexico has huge oil reserves, better weather than most of the US. So why are they "poor"? Why can't Mexico provide a living for it's own people so they aren't literally dying to escape?

If high birthrate makes the economy good as you say ---wouldn't they be ahead? Hint ---birthrate has nothing to do with it ---China has a mandatory one-child policy ---and it's the fastest growing economy there is --and it's Communist besides. The US once had a higher birthrate and a growing economy but the middle class had the high birthrate. Bringing in many third world types with a high birth rate whose children require extensive government handout programs and free health care doesn't help the economy ---it hurts the economy.

[FITZ]

I agree with you that kids should be working. Instead they're out joining gangs, painting graffiti everywhere, or just sitting around bored to death. And this applies to the children of the immigrants just as much ---they are no longer working and many are growing up on welfare. Instead of all the taxpayer provided "recreation centers" and midnight basketball let the kids work to learn a more useful way to spend their time.

[ohmage]

The bedroom isn't the only place that is being used to hand over our country to those eager to dismantle it.

See your congressional representative's global statesmanship rating at http://www.cunr.org/guide.html

And by all means, let them know what you think about it.

[nanny]

Now besides trying to shut me up by calling my names - which of course, tells the story there is are arguments.

Who was doing these jobs before the Mexicans came. Someone was - who? or what?

Now just because they use Mexicans doesn't mean there is no equipment available to do it. Are you trying to tell me all crops have to be hand weeded? Surely not -

Now we have established it was being done before they came - and you can tell me who.

Also you can't deny if there was not cheap labor (cheap only to the employers - very expensive to this country and its citizens) - the creativity of this country would invent something to take care of the job. But it will not be done as long as the labor is cheaper than the cost of the machinery - why bother. This stops the upward movement of a country. That is not a good thing - that is another very bad element of illegal immigration.

Now if you have an intelligent point - make it - name calling and insults just don't cut it - it speaks volumes.

Years ago people had to pick the cotton, chop the cotton, plant many crops by hand; but we have invented new ways to do it and we would again if not for the presence of cheap labor. I still question the need for it.

I suspect you are in favor of illegal immigration - would you tell me why - and I mean a serious answer.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

And by all means, let them know what you think about it.

Sometimes I wonder what the push is to do away with our sovereignty, what do these politicians expect to gain from it? I've called NY reps many times and the only answer I get is we can't isolate ourselves from the world, as if they can't see the difference between that and protecting the interests of American citizens.

Must be a lot of money exchanging hands somewhere.

[liberalnot]

i'm not responding to a hate post.

[nanny]

i'm not responding to a hate post.

When you actually see one, let me know. Perhaps you could read your posts to me as an example of what to search for.

In the meantime, why don't you answer my questions or points?

[ohmage]

Sometimes I wonder what the push is to do away with our sovereignty...

I know what you mean. But whatever the reason, money, twisted minds, vanity compounded by stupidity... it's getting more obvious every day that a great deal of the work accomplished in Washington D.C. is not planned with our common good in mind.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

... it's getting more obvious every day that a great deal of the work accomplished in Washington D.C. is not planned with our common good in mind.

In state capitals too, but I'm seeing hope in a few of them, like Virginia and Colorado. NY forget it, it's liberalville.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Years ago people had to pick the cotton, chop the cotton, plant many crops by hand; but we have invented new ways to do it and we would again if not for the presence of cheap labor. I still question the need for it.

They could fully mechanize our farms if they truly put their minds to it. I agree with you, they don't want to, they're addicted to cheap labor. Despite millions of farm laborers in the country right now, they're still lobbying Congress for more, just like the high-tech industry. I would be more than happy to see my taxes go to mechanize farms, it's worth it in the long run, but it ain't gonna happen.

[Carry_Okie]

This one.

[Carry_Okie]

Ponk.

[nunya bidness]

Thanks. Bookmarked.

[Carry_Okie]

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