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I promised myself over and over to ignore you. But, like a splinter under a toenail, I simply can't.

Please present MY personal idea of evolution that does not jibe with reality. HINT: you better back it up with supporting evidence (like quotes)

All of the following are from this infamous thread, italics are your statements: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/909701/posts

"Orthodox Darwinists believe that Darwinist Evolution is complete and scientifically proves the origin of the universe. Most Orthodox Darwinists believe evolution as a cosmological theory can be proven by science."

Huh? "Orthodox Darwinists?" "Evolution as a cosmological theory?" When you use your own terms which mean what you want them to mean to support your own line of thinking, the real world will always fail to grasp it. You're the only one speaking your language here.

"Tell us what you think the starting point of evolution as cosmology is - where did that matter come from? What caused the big bang?"

I think "evolution as cosmology" means nothing to anyone but you. Evolution as we know it, is usually meant to be biologic, and does not, will not, and can not address the big bang. You should really know this by now.

"People that believe Darwinism explains it all related to the origin of the universe – people that believe evolution as cosmology is scientifically provable."

Again, huh?

"Nothing related to the origin of the universe and Darwinism has “turned out to be true” they are all still theories

Umm, ok. Wait... what?! WTF did Darwin ever say about the origins of the freaking universe?

Not when people like yourself assume theory is fact. That is not science – that is zealous support of dogma. Nothing related to evolution as cosmology has been proven by science. The foundation of evolution as cosmology is “something came from nothing” or “a miracle happen in a universe where miracles don’t happen”. Evolution as cosmology is based on an unscientific principle. Some aspects of evolution are scientifically supportable. Orthodox Darwinists believe all of it is.

Do you even remember writing this drivel? How about this challenge: Someone other than LVD explain to me what all this mumbo jumbo means.

You had many more gems, but I've grown tired of this exercise.

exactly HOW MUCH of evolution do you think falls into the category of “reality”

100%. Biological evolution as theory and fact is absolutely the best current idea to explain the diversity of life we see on earth.

400 times – can you provide evidence for this accusation – or is it just more intellectually dishonesty – man, you are on a roll.

I'll let someone else count the responses on the thread posted above. I'm sure I've exaggerated, but not by much.

Are you one of the close-minded know-it-all clowns that is still trying to claim evolution has nothing to do with cosmology.

Yes. As mentioned to you previously, I can't say scientifically, but I'd venture a guess of 99% of all humans who know what evolution is, know it to be a biological theory. As mentioned to you previously, no study on this has been commissioned because stupid ass studies like this don't often get commissioned.

An updated quiz for you:

1. What does the nonsense phrase "evolution as cosmology" mean? Select all that apply.

a) LVD is a blithering idiot

b) LVD is an unabashed moron

c) LVD is a unmitigated troll

d) LVD is a disruptor from DU

e) LVD is a laughingstock

f) Even LVD understands that he is a fraud and makes no sense

g) LVD is too stupid to stop digging when he realizes he is in a hole

Score 1 point for each selection.

Scoring:

0 = Congratulations, you are vital member of the unwashed, illiterate, uneducated, anti-science, Bible-literalist, snake-handling, speaking-in-tongues sect of fundamentalist Creationism.

1 or more = You can think for yourself. So welcome to the party, pal.

Huh? "Orthodox Darwinists?" "Evolution as a cosmological theory?" When you use your own terms which mean what you want them to mean to support your own line of thinking, the real world will always fail to grasp it. You're the only one speaking your language here.

Orthodox Darwinist is a term I come up with – you may disagree with my term, nevertheless it is part of reality. My position is Orthodox Darwinist (basically close-minded, rigid thinking, know-it-alls) seem to believe evolution as the main principle of cosmology explains it all and there is scientific evidence to back it all up. The reality is there is only scientific evidence to support a teeny tiny part of any cosmological theory. While you are free to disagree with my opinion – my opinion is part of reality therefore you have failed to support your position.

In the above statement you actually imply you are in a position to speak for the “real world” (which is absolutely ludicrous – you can speak for YOURSELF and that is all) – you are an extremely arrogant know-it-all.

I think "evolution as cosmology" means nothing to anyone but you.

Once again the arrogant know-it-all speaks for EVERYBODY – how the hell he thinks he can know what EVERYBODY but me is thinking is beyond reason.

I am not surprised that you don’t understand being you claim evolution has nothing to do with cosmology – despite the plethora of evidence provided. Evolution is the KEY principle of most cosmological theories. I will explain this for the 100th time(Actually I don’t really know if it is the 100th time): I used the term “evolution as cosmology” to differential between that and “religion as cosmology” - if you want to argue the term is awkward, fine you are correct. But if you want to argue the term is meaningless you are just demonstrating your ignorance. I come to cosmology from the philosophy side – it seems you have not studied philosophy and because you are a know-it-all, if the approach to a subject is different from what you understand – you pretend it is wrong or meaningless (Know-it-all 101).

Evolution as we know it, is usually meant to be biologic, and does not, will not, and can not address the big bang. You should really know this by now.

What a stupid statement.

1. Nobody EVER claimed the Big Bang had anything to do with evolution (Intellectual dishonesty)

2. Only you assume evolution means biological evolution (HINT: the word and concept of evolution existed before Darwinism

3. You are a know-it-all that thinks he can speak for everybody - the REALITY is you can only speak for yourself

4. Evolution is a concept – biological evolution is merely ONE example of evolution – assuming evolutions mean biological is like assuming automobile means Mini Cooper.

"People that believe Darwinism explains it all related to the origin of the universe – people that believe evolution as cosmology is scientifically provable."

Again, huh?

You can’t be this clueless? Can you? Many Orthodox Darwinist (my term) I have come in contact with see that Darwinism (a type of evolution) has a large amount of scientific supporting evidence therefore they assume evolution in the context of cosmology also has a large amount of scientific supporting evidence. I will admit my wording is awkward – that happens when you bang these things out quickly while I doing other things like my job – I do believe you should be able to grasp what I am saying – you may not agree and that’s ok.

"Nothing related to the origin of the universe and Darwinism has “turned out to be true” they are all still theories

Umm, ok. Wait... what?! WTF did Darwin ever say about the origins of the freaking universe?

Is English your second language? Notice the word “and” between “origin of the universe” and “Darwinism” (not to mention I used the term “theories” meaning more than one) - all I am saying is both “the origin of the universe” and “Darwinism” are theories and neither can be called “the truth”.

How you can construe I was implying Darwin addressed the origin of the universe is beyond reason. If I said the Bible and The Origin of Species are both books would you scream “ WTF Darwin did not write the Bible.

Not when people like yourself assume theory is fact. That is not science – that is zealous support of dogma. Nothing related to evolution as cosmology has been proven by science. The foundation of evolution as cosmology is “something came from nothing” or “a miracle happen in a universe where miracles don’t happen”. Evolution as cosmology is based on an unscientific principle. Some aspects of evolution are scientifically supportable. Orthodox Darwinists believe all of it is.

Do you even remember writing this drivel?

Yes and I can defend it. What would you like to challenge.

How about this challenge: Someone other than LVD explain to me what all this mumbo jumbo means.

I see – you can’t challenge any of it but you can insult it (Disrupter 101)

You had many more gems, but I've grown tired of this exercise.

You too Mr “Evolution has nothing to do with Cosmology” (not to mention “Biological Evolution has nothing to do with cosmology”) – although I would not characterize them as gems – more like turds.

exactly HOW MUCH of evolution do you think falls into the category of “reality”

100%. Biological evolution as theory and fact is absolutely the best current idea to explain the diversity of life we see on earth.

So as a know-it-all you are now claiming theory is fact. That pretty much sums up my term “Orthodox Darwinist” - know-it-alls that believe Darwinism is a proven fact . If you do not understand the difference between theory and fact, you have a hell of a lot of nerve commenting on other people’s intelligence.

Another funny point – in the same sentence he says biological evolution is fact, a theory, and the “best idea” (implying there is more than one). What is even funnier is he does not even realize all the contradictions.

Are you one of the close-minded know-it-all clowns that is still trying to claim evolution has nothing to do with cosmology.

Yes. As mentioned to you previously, I can't say scientifically, but I'd venture a guess of 99% of all humans who know what evolution is, know it to be a biological theory. As mentioned to you previously, no study on this has been commissioned because stupid ass studies like this don't often get commissioned.

The sign of a true know-it-all – he assumes 99% of all humans agree with him no matter how stupid his opinion. I have proved that both evolution (the concept) and biological evolution are part of cosmological theories.

This proves my point: You can lead a know-it-all to data but you can’t make them think.

Just out of curiosity: why would you still contend evolution has nothing to do with cosmology when I have present supporting evidence that you are absolutely wrong (a Biology Department from a University that opens their page on Cosmology by stating “Cosmology is evolution…” – not to mention the dictionary definition of the word. How can you still cleave to a clearly disproved statement. Are you Amish?

(no offence to Amish people)