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Santorum Crisis Exposes Republican Weakness
The Pro-Family Law Center ^ | 29-Apr-2003 | Scott Lively

Posted on 04/28/2003 2:25:50 PM PDT by Remedy

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To: Remedy
That's your advocacy.
Well, duh.
81 posted on 04/28/2003 3:50:19 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: Asclepius
The privacy doctrine is flawed, surely.

You're in a public forum. You are free to publically showcase your sin. I am also free to make it clear that your lifestyle choices are sinful, destructive and disgust me.

And again, your movement's attempts to force your choices on me and my family and on my pocketbook are an offense.

82 posted on 04/28/2003 3:51:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ImpBill

Our Republic and its future is of great concern to me

The Decline of a Nation

Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation.

This has been the main premise of thinkers from British historian J. D. Unwin to Russian sociologist Pitirim Sorokin who have studied civilizations that have collapsed. In his book Our Dance Has Turned to Death, Carl Wilson identifies the common pattern of family decline in ancient Greece and the Roman Empire. Notice how these seven stages parallel what is happening in our nation today. In the first stage, men ceased to lead their families in worship. Spiritual and moral development became secondary. Their view of God became naturalistic, mathematical, and mechanical.

In the second stage, men selfishly neglected care of their wives and children to pursue material wealth, political and military power, and cultural development. Material values began to dominate thought, and the man began to exalt his own role as an individual. The third stage involved a change in men's sexual values. Men who were preoccupied with business or war either neglected their wives sexually or became involved with lower-class women or with homosexuality. Ultimately, a double standard of morality developed. The fourth stage affected women. The role of women at home and with children lost value and status. Women were neglected and their roles devalued. Soon they revolted to gain access to material wealth and also freedom for sex outside marriage. Women also began to minimize having sex relations to conceive children, and the emphasis became sex for pleasure. Marriage laws were changed to make divorce easy.

In the fifth stage, husbands and wives competed against each other for money, home leadership, and the affection of their children. This resulted in hostility and frustration and possible homosexuality in the children. Many marriages ended in separation and divorce.

Many children were unwanted, aborted, abandoned, molested, and undisciplined. The more undisciplined children became, the more social pressure there was not to have children. The breakdown of the home produced anarchy.

In the sixth stage, selfish individualism grew and carried over into society, fragmenting it into smaller and smaller group loyalties. The nation was thus weakened by internal conflict. The decrease in the birthrate produced an older population that had less ability to defend itself and less will to do so, making the nation more vulnerable to its enemies.

83 posted on 04/28/2003 3:51:27 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Asclepius
As our gay brothers and sisters have acquired political power..

They may be your 'brothers and sisters', but they aren't mine.

84 posted on 04/28/2003 3:52:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Remedy
BUMP BUMP BUMP TO THE TOP!!!

Read it, learn it, use it.
85 posted on 04/28/2003 3:52:28 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Just punish these this rather intolerant and strident species of social conservative in the primary, and if one actually wins the primary (a very rare event), and the one is too offensive, just vote for the Dem in the general. Simple really. Punish them electorally, and then punish them some more. They like it.
86 posted on 04/28/2003 3:52:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EternalVigilance
And again, your movement's attempts to force your choices on me and my family and on my pocketbook are an offense.
You assume too much. Simply because one is a social libertarian it doesn't follow that one is a homosexual.

No one wants your money. Or at least I don't. I just don't want you passing laws criminalizing anyone's lifestyle choices.
88 posted on 04/28/2003 3:53:47 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: ImpBill
Well said.
89 posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Asclepius

As our gay brothers and sisters have acquired political power

Gay Money Comes Out of the Closet : Salt Lake Tribune , August 19, 2000 Author: Ruth Marcus

In all, gays have contributed about $5 million this election to the Democratic National Committee alone -- a total that puts them among the top tier of Democratic givers

For the 2000 race, the DNC set up a new Gay and Lesbian Victory Council for those who gave $10,000 and more. It now has almost 100 donors, and about 13 members of the party's "Jefferson Trust," for $100,000 givers, are openly gay.

Gay And Lesbian Leaders Launch National Grassroots Effort To Help Elect Al Gore President

Nashville - February 29, 2000 - Praising Al Gore's commitment to fighting discrimination and promoting equality for all Americans, lesbian and gay leaders across the country today announced the launch of Gay and Lesbian Americans for Gore. The group will work over the Internet and in local communities to mobilize volunteers and organize support for Gore. Today's announcement came on the heels of an important national endorsement yesterday by the National Stonewall Democratic Federation, which has 47 affiliated clubs and 10,000 members nationwide.

90 posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:16 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Surely, you aren't advocating Hillary's VILLAGE approach.

Hell, no. For one thing I don't believe in compelling people to enter arrangements they don't want.

Now, here's where I disagree with the Dems on social issues. I believe traditional arrangements are there for a reason: Because they work the best for most people. A nuclear, heterosexual family is the best arrangement for probably 90% of the population I believe homosexuality is abnormal. I believe multiple partners is abnormal. I believe single parenthood is abnormal.

However, abnormal doesn't mean wrong. Even more, abnormal can be right for a small minority of the population. These abnormal people, as consenting adults, should have the right to freely live their abnormal lives, as long as they don't violate the rights of others, because that is what is right for them.

Tradition has been there because it works for the most people. But people are different so it doesn't work for a few. Those who choose to live abnormal lives are as responsible for recognizing why tradition works. Those who are traditional should give the nontraditional their space.

91 posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:50 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: EternalVigilance
They may be your 'brothers and sisters', but they aren't mine.
Use whatever terms you want. The argument still stands.
92 posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:59 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: Right Wing Professor
A kleenex is an inanimate object.
93 posted on 04/28/2003 3:55:41 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Asclepius
I just don't want you passing laws criminalizing anyone's lifestyle choices.

I don't need to pass em...they've been on the books since the beginning of the republic. It's you that has to make the case for changing them, which IMO you are signally failing to do.

94 posted on 04/28/2003 3:55:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Trace21230; Torie
And FReepers wonder why the state GOP in CA can't win statewide elections.
95 posted on 04/28/2003 3:56:41 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Torie
Just punish these this rather intolerant and strident species of social conservative in the primary, and if one actually wins the primary (a very rare event), and the one is too offensive, just vote for the Dem in the general. Simple really. Punish them electorally, and then punish them some more. They like it.

The Democrats are so out of it right now that I almost always will vote for a right-wing, anti-Gay Republican before I will vote for a Democrat. Now if there is a Libertarian running and it's a local or state election.....

96 posted on 04/28/2003 3:58:09 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't need to pass em...they've been on the books since the beginning of the republic. It's you that has to make the case for changing them, which IMO you are signally failing to do.
I really don't have to make that case. Those laws are almost never enforced anyway. I mean, other than a few mullah-wannabees, who wants to police other people's sexual behaviors?

Yuck.
97 posted on 04/28/2003 3:59:31 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: Remedy
all spam, no original thought. though i could paraphrase it: "gays are gonna rape your kids - gay marriage will lead to goat/human weddings - gay recruitment centers on every street corner"

did i miss anything?

98 posted on 04/28/2003 3:59:52 PM PDT by GoreIsLove
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To: Torie
ideological purity! go pat go!
99 posted on 04/28/2003 4:00:46 PM PDT by GoreIsLove
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To: Remedy; All
The good thing is any DUers or other Dems looking in must be shocked -- Shocked! I say -- to see the range of opinion in FreeRepubic.
100 posted on 04/28/2003 4:00:56 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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