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Santorum Crisis Exposes Republican Weakness
The Pro-Family Law Center ^ | 29-Apr-2003 | Scott Lively

Posted on 04/28/2003 2:25:50 PM PDT by Remedy

The Rick Santorum controversy has illuminated a serious problem in the Republican Party: its leaders seem woefully ill-prepared to defend the pro-family position on homosexuality. As an attorney who trains pro-family activists how to debate this issue, I would like to offer my fellow Republicans the following advice.

First, don't dodge the issue in fear of political correctness or pro-"gay" media bias. Stand confidently upon the essential pro-family presuppositions that resonate with people of common sense: 1) normality is that which functions according to its design, 2) the heterosexual design of the human body and the natural family is self-evident, 3) respecting the design of life produces good results (conversely, rejecting that design produces bad results) and 4) simple observation validates these assumptions. No special education or "scientific" study is required.

Failure to articulate the logic of our position cedes the moral and intellectual battleground to the militant "gays," and leaves the impression (even among our own supporters) that we have no reasonable response, other than religious belief, to their attack on family values.

Second, contest the hidden false assumption underlying most pro-"gay" arguments that homosexuality is immutable. We have a strong case on this point since 1) proponents of the "gays are born that way" justification for normalizing homosexuality bear the burden of proof, 2) proof is absolutely necessary due to the severity of social change which is contemplated by their demands, 3) proponents cannot prove that homosexuality is immutable (Indeed, ex-homosexuals can prove that it is not.), 3) if homosexuality is not immutable, then logically it must be acquired (children being the most likely to acquire the condition because of their vulnerability to social conditioning), and 4) society must err on the side of caution, actively discouraging the normalization of homosexuality in order to protect children and others from the possibility of acquiring a homosexual condition with its attendant health risks.

Third, expose the deceptive terms, such as sexual orientation, diversity and homophobia, which are used by pro-"gay" proponents to confuse the issue and control the debate. This requires nothing but making them define their terms at the start of argument, then focusing the debate on clarifying the definitions and exposing their illogic and hypocrisy.

Consider sexual orientation, for example. Does orientation mean "state of mind" or conduct? If it includes conduct, which conduct? Does it include sodomy? Fisting? Rimming? Sadism? If not, why not? Regarding diversity, what is the standard used to decide who gets to be in the circle of inclusion? They don't have one, but you'll have fun with this -- especially if they attempt to draw the line at "hate" groups. What is their definition of hate? (and by that definition, do they "hate" us and thereby invalidate their own membership in the community of diversity?) Speaking of hate, remember that they have defined homophobia as "hate and fear of homosexuals." Ask them to identify some examples of non-homophobic opposition to homosexuality. They can't do it because they define all opposition as "homophobic." Do they really believe that disapproval of sodomy/rimming/fisting/sadism is irrational bigotry? You get the idea. You'll find that this technique derails virtually every pro-"gay" argument because each one relies on deceptive rhetoric.

Fourth and finally, get off the defensive and take the offensive on the homosexual issue by purging "gay" activism from the Republican Party. The implicit goal of the "gay" movement is the normalization of an anything-goes sexual morality -- the antithesis of the family values so dear to our Republican base. Instead of inviting into our tent the very constituency that many Republicans have spent years and fortunes opposing, why not conduct a meaningful family-values outreach to ethnic minorities? Let the Democrats continue to be the party of sexual deviance and let us exploit that identification to woo away their healthy families to the higher Republican standard.

What is needed from Republican leaders is articulate, confident and continual advocacy of the pro-family world view. Without it, we might as well say farewell to Rick Santorum and other defenders of family values, because if things continue as they are, these courageous people will have no place in the future GOP, the Gays' Other Party.


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To: EternalVigilance
And yet you whine when conservatives won't vote for a liberal Republican in a general.

You must be mixing me up with some other posters. If you have fundamental disagreements with a liberal Republican, if after taking into account all the pros and cons, short term and long term, you choose to vote for the Dem or a third party, or not vote, I respect that. The trick though in many states is for the Pubbie to get both your wing of the party to vote for him and mine. Without both wings, the Pubbie will likely lose.

281 posted on 04/29/2003 7:47:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Jorge
Then just read post #72.

It's all right there in front of your nose.

A couple paragraphs shouldn't strain you too much.
282 posted on 04/29/2003 7:49:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Torie
Then why were you counseling people to vote for Democrats?
283 posted on 04/29/2003 7:50:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Asclepius
Those of us who enjoy sex and those of you who are opposed to it should discover common ground.

When you pay for all of the costs of your sexual deviance from your own pocket--and keep your filching fingers out of mine--I'll give you a listen. In the interim crawl inside a glory hole and converse with yourself.

284 posted on 04/29/2003 7:52:35 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: EternalVigilance
Assuming you are correct for the sake of argument, I would think the fix for those that resent the expenditure would be to limit the subsidized health care, not criminalize the behavior, which as we know is totally ineffectual in any event, and just leads to selective and arbitrary enforement in rare instances in some places. Frankly, I am not in favor of unlimited subsidized medical care irrespective of cost in general. Going down that road points toward fiscal disaster as science proceeds apace, unless we get lucky, and find cheap ways to threat folks, and find relatively cheap ways to treat the elderly. I don't think that will happen. We will spend more and more money keeping alive folks in their 80's and 90's. Over the longer term, the AIDS issue is rounding error on this matter.
285 posted on 04/29/2003 7:53:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I have seen liberal Republicans cast their support to Dems in General elections more times than I can count...up to and including full page ads in major newspapers.

I have also heard liberal Republicans whine about conservatives taking their votes elsewhere in general elections when it was their ox being gored.

That is why I responded so negatively to your post...that hypocrisy is maddening.

If I over-projected on you, I apologize. You can vote for whomever you please.
286 posted on 04/29/2003 7:54:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
If such action comports with their conscience with respect to someone who takes a profoundly offensive point of view, just do it. If Santorum if really serious about criminalizing consenual adult sex, I can't support him.
287 posted on 04/29/2003 7:55:14 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Jorge
I work with people who have had more expensive procedures, have missed more time for heart problems, kidney disease etc, than fellow workers who are HIV+

Really? Then how do you explain the fact that taxpayer-supported health costs for AIDS outstrip the costs of these other diseases combined?

288 posted on 04/29/2003 7:55:41 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Torie
Frankly, I doubt very many conservatives would give much thought to those who practice homosexuality at all, if they weren't actively pushing their agenda in the political arena. But since they have chosen to take that path, they have no reason to whine when those who oppose them take exception.

As to your thoughts on health-care expenditures, you make some good points.
289 posted on 04/29/2003 7:57:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Torie
{The trick though in many states is for the Pubbie to get both your wing of the party to vote for him and mine. Without both wings, the Pubbie will likely lose.}

How true! This is exactly why the CA GOP is so hapless. CA Pubbies couldn't find consensus candidates to run for statewide offices last year. When a political party pins its hopes on a movie star (Arnold the Terminator), there must be serious problems with the organization. Now it appears that Barbara Boxer is going to get a free ride next year. Talk about voting rights being violated!
290 posted on 04/29/2003 7:57:45 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: EternalVigilance
Actually my wing of the party has more influence overall than yours, so such folks should not whine. Of course, my wing does not include Chaffee and sometimes Snowne and a couple of others. Those folks are too liberal on economics for me, and too squisy in general. You may disagree with me, but I am not squisy. Cheers.
291 posted on 04/29/2003 7:57:46 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Actually my wing of the party has more influence overall than yours, so such folks should not whine.

LOL...hitting the sauce tonight, are we? ;-)

292 posted on 04/29/2003 7:59:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
All those mis-spellings do suggest that don't they? However, I think Bush is less to the right of me, than to the left of you. Whatever.
293 posted on 04/29/2003 8:03:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Actually, the mispellings didn't give you away. It was the idea that liberals have more influence in the GOP than conservatives.
294 posted on 04/29/2003 8:04:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Kevin Curry
"I work with people who have had more expensive procedures, have missed more time for heart problems, kidney disease etc, than fellow workers who are HIV+"

Really? Then how do you explain the fact that taxpayer-supported health costs for AIDS outstrip the costs of these other diseases combined?

You need to provide documentation to support your claim..because I don't believe it.

And even if I did, that fact remains that where I work those with heart disease, kidney problem, carpals tunnel, cancer etc. cost our company and insurance far more than anyone who is HIV+.

295 posted on 04/29/2003 8:20:11 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: EternalVigilance
Frankly, I doubt very many conservatives would give much thought to those who practice homosexuality at all, if they weren't actively pushing their agenda in the political arena.

Folks push for their rights and self interest in a democracy. The propostion that homosexuals should not advocate and agitate for what is important to them in a democracy strikes me as odd. What other groups are on the proscribed list? Of course, some modes of advocacy are more effective than others. I suspect you are suggesting that homosexuals advocating anything particular to them will/has backfire(d). That of course is wrong. One doesn't secure favorable policies to their cause by being silent, much less in the closet. Not in a democracy.

296 posted on 04/29/2003 8:26:31 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
It's one thing to advocate for yourself for legitimate reasons, but quite another to advocate for a 'right' to a destructive practice.

We have argued this before, and obviously are not going to agree; but IMO, you fall into the same moral equivalency as the others that preceded you on this thread.

All Americans may be equal, but all sexual acts are not.
297 posted on 04/29/2003 8:52:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
but quite another to advocate for a 'right' to a destructive practice.

I don't quite get that. Are you soft on the 1st Amendment?

298 posted on 04/29/2003 8:54:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Hey, if they want to flaunt the things that they should be ashamed of, they do have that right under the First Amendment.

Likewise, society has the right to reject them and their agenda.

You could push for the legalization of cannibalism if you wanted to, but you wouldn't get very far--except to be ostracized by the vast majority of the people.

However, if you started to put legs to your advocacy, folks would be well within their rights to stop you.
299 posted on 04/29/2003 9:01:46 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Torie
It's been fun, but I have to go.

Cheers...
300 posted on 04/29/2003 9:03:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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