Appointment with The Apocalypse- the Waco Files

I didn't mean to embarrass you.

You didn't embarrass me. But you'll embarrass yourself if you keep this going.

21 posted on 04/28/2003 10:30:12 AM PDT by sinkspur

If I didn't embarrass you why did you ask me to drop it?

I made a mistake on which group was involved in the standoff in Montana.

This statement proves my point. You made a mistake, calling the Free Men, Militia. A kneejerk freudian slip which is the result of hearing the propaganda so many times that it becomes the automatic thought you jump to whenever "standoff with the government" is said. I can hardly embarrass myself, the evidence is so obvious.

22 posted on 04/28/2003 10:38:04 AM PDT by TigersEye (Democrats are soooo 9/10.)

23 posted on 04/28/2003 10:40:59 AM PDT by sinkspur

Thanks for looking- I wish I had said that, too- it's about as a succinct reply as I've ever heard!

24 posted on 04/28/2003 3:55:55 PM PDT by backhoe

Remembrance bump... for the dead-

25 posted on 05/26/2003 2:08:52 PM PDT by backhoe

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1087707/posts
11th Year Anniversary - Fed's Attack Mt. Carmel
PBS, Frontline ^

26 posted on 02/29/2004 12:30:10 AM PST by backhoe

Thanks for the links along with all the other efforts you put into so many things here. :)

I've been having some trouble keeping things straight at times.

Offhand,can you tell me whatever became of the standoff situation on Cedar Creek Lake near Gunbarrel City,Texas?

27 posted on 02/29/2004 12:57:54 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)

To: Free Trapper

I've been having some trouble keeping things straight at times. Offhand,can you tell me whatever became of the standoff situation on Cedar Creek Lake near Gunbarrel City,Texas?

I am similarly challenged- too damn many "issues" to follow as well as I should.

I am not familiar with the situation you mention, but I will look for it later.

28 posted on 02/29/2004 1:10:40 AM PST by backhoe (The balance of Common Sense is tipping toward Non-sense...)

To: Free Trapper

FYI:

Texas farm standoff enters second year
... The low-intensity standoff between law officers and John Joe Gray has entered ... Mr.
Gray retreated to his property near Cedar Creek Lake last spring and never ...
www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia37.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Authorities conduct a quiet siege
... they want is "another Waco," alluding to the deadly 1993 standoff with the ... two houses
nestled deep in the Trinity River bottoms just west of Cedar Creek Lake. ...
www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia29.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

5 John Joe Gray (Houston Chronicle)
... Standoff continues amid attack rumors. ... Gray has been holed up with more than a dozen
family members on his wooded 47-acre spread near Cedar Creek Lake, 70 miles ...
www.embassyofheaven.com/current/johnjoe5.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

1 John Joe Gray (Dallas Observer)
... Past Cedar Creek Lake, out Highway 274, then onto a blacktop lane leading to a narrow ... Long
before there was a Waco standoff and the world knew of David Koresh ...
www.embassyofheaven.com/current/johnjoe1.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

November 2, 2000
... December, the Grays have refused to leave their property near Cedar Creek Lake near
Trinidad ... family on behalf of the Ellis County Press after the standoff began ...
www.elliscountypress.com/archive2000/ november_2_2000.htm - 51k - Cached - Similar pages

August 31 2000
... The result is a similar standoff to the start of the Branch Davidian ... on its 47-acre
property on the Trinity River bottom west of Cedar Creek Lake between Tool ...
www.elliscountypress.com/archive2000/ august_31_2000.htm - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/203527_norris_31tex.A. ...
... Ranger on television, has jumped into the middle of a standoff between real ... posted
bail on the charges and then retreated to his property near Cedar Creek Lake. ...
www.no-debts.com/anti-federalist/gray/nov11-00.txt - 6k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

10 years after Waco siege, police face another standoff (Gun ...
... day in another standoff, now nearly three years old. Militant fundamentalist John
Joe Gray, 54, retreated to his 47 acres near Cedar Creek Lake about 40 miles ...
209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/896402/posts - 51k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

29 posted on 03/01/2004 4:07:57 PM PST by backhoe

Ask backhoe a simple question and I get a full encyclopedia as an answer. :O)

Big thanks for all the links,I'd been wondering what the story was but kept getting a little here and a touch there,not enough to understand the situation at all.

So far I've only read a couple of the links but did note one thing.

The altercation Gray had with the Texas Troopers happened near Palistine,which is not far from Noonday,maybe 30 miles.

Noonday is where the stash of guns,bombs,bomb making supplies,etc. were found in a storage rental.

The guy that had the stash was from the N.E.part of the Country and was investigated for selling false IDs,I believe.

The two situations happening so close to each other struck me but it's probably just coincidence.

I've spent a lot of time working on both Cedar Creek Lake and Lake Palistine,besides having family near Noonday,so I know the area pretty well.

30 posted on 03/01/2004 7:59:48 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)

Also,David Koresh's bunch had property somewhere near Palistine,I believe.

Probably coincidence but it sure seems strange having all these things so close together.

31 posted on 03/01/2004 8:09:47 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)

To: Free Trapper

The altercation Gray had with the Texas Troopers happened near Palistine,which is not far from Noonday,maybe 30 miles. Noonday is where the stash of guns,bombs,bomb making supplies,etc. were found in a storage rental.

Sonny Bitch!

32 posted on 03/02/2004 2:53:14 AM PST by backhoe (Another artifact left over from The Decade of Fraud(s)...)

It is somewhat strange and if I recall,The Branch Davidians nearly built their Church on the property near Palestine before building near Waco but still owned the property during the seige and may still.

Excuse my spelling of Palestine in the other post.Sleepy and medicated.

33 posted on 03/02/2004 1:51:35 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)

34 posted on 06/28/2004 12:29:33 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)

^... for remembrance.

35 posted on 09/12/2004 4:44:20 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)

36 posted on 06/13/2005 4:42:55 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)

37 posted on 10/18/2005 4:58:38 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)

Waco, The rules of engagement.-- in the end killed them all. Be certain to have a good stiff drink if you're going to watch this, as it is repugnant.

38 posted on 03/05/2006 11:19:00 AM PST by backhoe

http://www.mipt.org/murrahfinalrpt.asp
"Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Bombing, April 19, 1995: Final Report"

39 posted on 04/19/2006 2:44:00 AM PDT by backhoe

40 posted on 09/27/2006 1:57:00 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Statists are Ameba's.)

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