Jean Chretien: The Stain on the Blue Dress of Canada

The Freedom Institute ^ | April 28 2004 | Mark Fournier

[conniew]

In the 2000 election, 61% of Canadians voted.

Our first-past-the-post system allows whomever has the most votes in a riding to win a seat in Parliament. The Liberal party was elected in 2000 with 38 per cent of the vote, however they won 172 of the 301 seats, or 57 per cent of Parliament.

So, basically, 38% of 61% of us voted Liberal in the last election. I'd do the math, but it's still too early in the morning. :-)

With that majority government, one man, Jean Chretien, gets to wield 100% of the power. He rules his cabinet with an iron fist and his MPs must vote as he tells them to.

That should show you how hard it is for individual Canadians to have an impact up here.

But we aren't giving up!

[Tribune7]

Bump of support for conservative Canadians.

[1Old Pro]

I've always supported the effort of many Canadians to elect more conservative, or at least, less socialist leaders. I also agree that Chretian let us down as Americans. I hope they elect someone good this time. Sheesh, their track record is not good, from Trudeau to Chretian, it's no wonder there are no reforms in Canada. Good Luck.

[IvanT]

This argument that because we elected Bill Clinton, Canada should be allowed to "get away" with all manner of offenses and anti-Americanism is, imo, nothing but a bunch of BS.

Sunsong, if you don't mind me saying, I'm beginning to think you are quite pathological in your fixation with Canada. Anti-Americanism is everywhere, all over the globe, even in your own country. What do you suggest? Do you suggest the U.S. start a war against every country that harbours anti-Americanism? Because you could then start in your own backyard. Sad thing is, it's people like you with your frankly twisted view on the world that help foment anti-Americanism. You're a real piece of work man.

[Argh]

Thank you.

[Sunsong]

"With all due respect back at at you", I will repeat my point. I have heard it so many times that "because America elected Clinton, we must *excuse* the back-stabbing, anti-American behavior coming out of Canada. And that is just not true.

"We need our American conservative cousins to help us defeat the Liberals, not to take potshots at us."

Please, we are not cousins. We are not brothers, We are not "family". We are neighbors. That "smary" attempt to manipulate really offends me! And I am taking potshots at Canada. If you decide to take that personally, that is your choice.

"We are on the same side."

There are many *sides*, not just two. It's more complex than that. I am an American, and I look at what is in America's interest. And right now, Canada is back-stabbing and betraying America -- and quite franky, just because there are good, decent people in Canada -- they do not mitigate the actions of Canada. Your and other people's posts come across to me as attempts to manipulate and to pressure Americans into giving Canada a "pass" on Her unacceptable behaviors. A "pass", btw, that I do not see you arguing for -- for France or Germany or Belgium.

Why should Canada get a "pass" and not every other country that has betrayed us?

"But, for those people who choose to ignore the good things we are trying to do, and beat us up because of where we happened to be born...well, that attitude is no better than the attitude of our anti-American Liberal government, imo."

I"ll ask you again -- why should Canada be *special*? Why shouldn't Canada take responsiblity for Herself? Why aren't you working with us to let Canada know that Her behavior is not ok? Why are you not working with us to let Canada know that trashing America will result in consequences?

[Sunsong]

"Sunsong, if you don't mind me saying,"

Actually I do mind.

" I'm beginning to think you are quite pathological in your fixation with Canada."

Well Ivan T, I think that just as is typical of a liberal -- you cannot argue my points and so you attack me personally.

" Anti-Americanism is everywhere, all over the globe, even in your own country. What do you suggest? Do you suggest the U.S. start a war against every country that harbours anti-Americanism?"

No, I have never suggested starting a war against every country that harbors anti-Americanism. You are just being hyperbolic here, imo. But I do suggest consequences. In the case of Canada, I suggest that Americans not travel to or vacation in Canada.

"Because you could then start in your own backyard. Sad thing is, it's people like you with your frankly twisted view on the world that help foment anti-Americanism. You're a real piece of work man."

Again, it is a typical liberal response to personally attack those that you are unable to argue with. The facts are that Canada's behavior is unacceptable. You have agreed with that. In fact, you sent me a private mail and I told you then that I don't agree with those who want to "excuse" Canada's behavior because America elected Bill Clinton. And you said "fair enough".

Anti-Americanism is one of the three pillars of the left. It is fomented because socialism *must* attack America. The anti-Americanism coming from Canada is unacceptable

I think that Canadians who want a better government would be better served working on just that -- than on trying to pressure me into keeping silent about what I think and how I feel.

[conniew]

Why aren't you working with us to let Canada know that Her behavior is not ok? Why are you not working with us to let Canada know that trashing America will result in consequences?

I am so glad you asked!

You try to distance yourself from us by saying "you are not my cousins, blah, blah, blah...". But we are the Free Republic Canada Chapter, and so far we have...

• Protested Parliament Hill

• Twice.

• Organized a National Rally

• Helped Promote anti-Liberal and

• Pro-USA sites.

• Launched a national effort to raise money to buy Phone Cards for Coalition Troops.

• Hosted a bi-national (Canadian/American) Veteran's Forum

• As well as launched dozens of other initiatives against our Liberal government.

  What have you done to support the coalition??

[conniew]

Oops! The pro-USA sites link was supposed to lead here.

[Sunsong]

I wonder why you only responded to the one part of my post to you where you *had* a response. Here is what I actually said -- and yes, I would like a response to the *whole* question:

Why should Canada get a "pass" and not every other country that has betrayed us?

And no, we are NOT cousins, we are not brothers, we are not family. Please don't try to manipulate with that little "tactic".

I"ll ask you again -- why should Canada be *special*? Why shouldn't Canada take responsiblity for Herself? Why aren't you working with us to let Canada know that Her behavior is not ok? Why are you not working with us to let Canada know that trashing America will result in consequences?

What *consequences* have you let Canadians know that they will experience if they continue along this road of betrayal?

You *ought* to be doing the things that you list. If you are "conservatives" -- those are things that conservatives do. That's great but it does NOT answer my question:

Just exactly why do you think that Canada should get a "pass" for Her unconsionable behavior?

[conniew]

I wonder why you only responded to the one part of my post to you where you *had* a response. Here is what I actually said -- and yes, I would like a response to the *whole* question: Why should Canada get a "pass" and not every other country that has betrayed us?

You wouldn't have to "wonder" if you had taken the effort to read and absorb my previous post (number 17).

I said:
"Canadian conservatives are taking our own government to task...not excusing them. We are fighting to get rid of the Liberals just like you fought to get rid of the Clintons.

And no, we are NOT cousins, we are not brothers, we are not family. Please don't try to manipulate with that little "tactic".

I don't know too many Canadians who do not have blood relatives in the US. But refuse to acknowledge that, if that's what turns your crank. Unfortunately for you, we are still your fellow FReepers, so you can't totally disown us. Sucks, don't it?

I"ll ask you again -- why should Canada be *special*? Why shouldn't Canada take responsiblity for Herself? Why aren't you working with us to let Canada know that Her behavior is not ok? Why are you not working with us to let Canada know that trashing America will result in consequences?

I answered that question very specifically in my last post. Those funny coloured words were links to things we are doing. Click them.

What *consequences* have you let Canadians know that they will experience if they continue along this road of betrayal?

I, along with many other conservative Canadians, have written volumes on this topic. I could collect links for you, but you wouldn't bother to click on them, and you'd just ask me the same question over again, anyway.

If you really want to know what I've told Canadians about the consequences of their actions, ask me again without the attitude and I'll tell you.

You *ought* to be doing the things that you list. If you are "conservatives" -- those are things that conservatives do.

What's your point...that we are behaving like conservatives? Thanks.

That's great but it does NOT answer my question:
Just exactly why do you think that Canada should get a "pass" for Her unconsionable behavior?

I will repeat this one more time.... I do not think Canada should get a pass!

I think Americans should be angry and I hope that the Liberals feel the full brunt of it. Boycott our goods, don't vacation here...do your worst! The more pain the US inflicts, the more it will help us win the next election.

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Now, it is time for you to answer the question I asked you that you seem to have avoided:

What have you, personally, done to support the coalition?

I'll be waiting for your answer.

[Sunsong]

You want to talk about attitude? Maybe you should practice what you preach?

So, if you don't think Canada should get a pass, then why are you harrassing me? I am advocating for Americans not to travel to or vacation in Canada. You say you support that. So what's your problem with my posts???

As to your question:

I have kept contact with my Senators and Congressman about supporting the coalition and punishing those who betrayed us like Canada, Germany and France. I have worked to have our troops removed from Germany and relocated in Poland (a member of the coalition). I also work closely with a large group of people to bring about the kind of results that we want for America and for the world, and that includes re-assessing which countries are our friends and which are not our friends. And Canada is NOT our friend.

[Sunsong]

Oh, and btw, I *did* click on all of your links so you are quite wrong to claim that I didn't.

[MoJo2001]

God Bless Canadian Conservatives!!

I wrote a letter not so long ago to tell the Conservatives and Liberals what I thought about the fine men and women in the Canadian Forces. Stephen Harper wrote back. Waiting (not holding my breath) for Libs to get back to me. They are a shame and stain on Canadian politics. Not on the people of Canada that have prayed for our troops and supported us. Thank you!