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To: lurky
All my life I have seen a steady increase in nihilism and license. History shows this has been a steady progression over time in America since at least 1800. Rousseauan ideas become increasingly accepted. Moral arguments become less and less effective. This trend is "left". It is the major cultural trend in the West since the "Renaissance". It is possible to track similar trends in the ancient world and in Chinese history, although I am not very familiar with either. That is why Cicero is interesting.

What cleared up the Ancient World's depravity was Christianity. (And incredibly hard times.) I can see nothing similar happening in the modern world for the foreseable future.

FreeRepublic entertains many old fashioned people, not terribly learned or articulate, bless them, and a small town, rather Nineteenth Century ethos. I like it. On the other hand, this will not be a successful defense against the "left" aspect of modernity. Take France and Germany as proof. Or Dalrymple's writing on English culture. Or the state of any big city USA. (And increasingly the small towns.)

So much for the big picture. On the near term new middle class jobs will be very rare. There is no reason to expect any real economic "recovery" until the excesses of the Bubble have been worked through. This could take a decade or more because of half measures applied to the problem. (The economic medicine applied will not be enough to cure but only prolong, as happened in the 30's. It will mostly be the wrong medicine as well.) There will be enough pain to shift a majority of voters to the left. Right now the situation is balanced, but another 10 or 20 million middle class jobs disappearing will change this.

If you want more brass tacks, look at the Democratic Party's behavior during this administration. They have many very smart, very ambitious people. They are acting according to a plan based on a view of the future not disimilar to mine. They will fight to the death to stop any tax cutting, regulatory reform, judicial reform, or legal reform that would in fact lead to recovery. They will blame without pause the Republicans for the increasingly dismal situation. When they gain power they will do whatever they believe it takes to insure that they cannot ever be dislodged. Political opposition will be suppressed.

There you go, plain as day.

54 posted on 04/28/2003 1:51:06 AM PDT by Iris7 (Sufficient for evil to triumph is for good people to be imprudent.)
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To: Iris7
Well, firstly, thank you for taking the time to formulate such a well thought-out response. I appreciate it.

So, in short, you are advocating a return to "fundamentalist" Judeo-Christian morality, circa...when exactly? And should the morality be codified in law? Has all progress since the Enlightenment, since the Renaissance even, been "nihilistic"?

FreeRepublic entertains many old fashioned people, not terribly learned or articulate, bless them, and a small town, rather Nineteenth Century ethos. I like it. On the other hand, this will not be a successful defense against the "left" aspect of modernity. Take France and Germany as proof. Or Dalrymple's writing on English culture. Or the state of any big city USA. (And increasingly the small towns.)

You lost me a little here. What does "this" refer to? FR as a tool of communication to advocate such a return to J-C values? How do France and Germany constitute proof as to is uselessness? And why exclude Scandinavia, Japan, South America, the whole industrialized world, in fact? Or is there something special about France and Germany?

On the near term new middle class jobs will be very rare.

Haven't "information careers" become the new "middle class jobs"? Are they really in jeopardy of disappearing in the new technological world?

There is no reason to expect any real economic "recovery" until the excesses of the Bubble have been worked through.

What exactly is the "Bubble"? Its excesses?

They will fight to the death to stop any tax cutting, regulatory reform, judicial reform, or legal reform that would in fact lead to recovery.

For argument's sake, what kinds of reform would you advocate?

When they gain power they will do whatever they believe it takes to insure that they cannot ever be dislodged. Political opposition will be suppressed.

"1984"? Is the future really that dim to you?

Sorry to barrage you with questions, but you've really stoked my grey matter, here.

55 posted on 04/28/2003 3:11:19 AM PDT by lurky
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