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To: DED
No, you're not wrong. Blacks commit murders at a rate FAR beyond their percentage of the population.

The article also misses another point: when blacks kill blacks, it's frequently also a criminal killing a criminal. Juries aren't in a big hurry to execute someone who's killed a drug dealer or a gang thug.

You've made a good point. There are a number of factors that determine whether or not a murderer receives the death penalty: criminal record, the circumstance and level of brutality involved in the killing(s), whether or not the victim was an upstanding citizen, the killer's remorse or lack of it, the killer's motive, state of mind, mental competency, etc.

I can't even begin to explain the disproportionate number of black criminals. I don't think it has anything to do with race, though. I don't think that the blacks who commit crimes do so because they are black. I think it may be because they've embraced a particular subculture.

There are a number of subcultures in America, one of them being the inner city, product of a single parent home, gangster subculture. I'm not saying that people aren't responsible for their actions and choices, nor that people can't overcome environmental influences. There are a number of reformed gangbangers and a number who never go down that path in the first place in spite of the overwhelming pressures to do so.

I've read that prior to LBJ's "War on Poverty" that blacks were well on their way to becoming middle class and upper middle class citizens. That the destruction of the black family, the diminishment of the incentive to work hard and strive to get a good education became rampant after LBJ's socialist meddling.

As a teenager, I had a friend whose mother was on welfare (she was white, if that matters). Because her mother was on welfare, my friend was not allowed to work. If she got a job flipping burgers like all her friends, her mother would lose welfare benefits. She really wanted to work, but her only choices were to remain idle, work illegally for cash "under the table" (or engage in worse illegal dealings to obtain money), or throw herself into her schoolwork, after-school activities, volunteer work, etc. She was a good kid and chose the latter.

Many choose idleness or crime and end up on welfare like their parent or they end up dead, in prison, or criminals at large. It's a vicious cycle. Nobody wins, except the politicians, who "compassionately" wrap the poor in chains.

31 posted on 04/27/2003 3:00:00 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin
"I think it may be because they've embraced a particular subculture."

I live in suburban Bay Area California and in my town there are no ghettoes but we have a ghetto about 30 miles north.(Oakland) A black teenager could go there for help in speaking and acting like a "Gangster".(Dangerous for a 16 year-old to do without getting killed.) It is interesting that young blacks here feel the need to act black.(Be black = being cool but your parents are middle-class and don't teach "homey-talk".) Well, how do you do that??

The answer is provided by music videos and movies from -- yes, HOLLY-WEIRD! Stay in your own comfy crib "brothers" and learn all about the '"hood" upt der in Oakland."

So kids here then will get programed to be anti-establishment and hate police and get the whole cultural baggage while you live in a $2 million house.

33 posted on 04/27/2003 4:47:34 PM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: schmelvin
You're right about it not being because they're black. I've pointed out to many racist acquaintances that if white people were brought up like your average inner city black, they'd ACT like them. And it's a problem that we'd better get a handle on - if I remember the figures correctly, something like 70-80% of all black kids grow up without a father in the house.

And, yes, the Democrats and the liberals have helped put them where they are. And shame on the black leadership! Jesse Jackson USED to tell "his" people to forget blaming the white man, stiffen their backbone and rise up above their problems. Now he's an extortionist, but the media treats him with kid gloves.
46 posted on 04/28/2003 4:50:05 AM PDT by DED (Liberals Never Learn. *LNL*)
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