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To: narses
Then, if you can, reconcile your position with the teachings of the Church you and I belong to. I look forward to watching this.

This is not about the teachings of the Church. Should we enshrine mandatory weekly church attendance in law?

7 posted on 04/26/2003 12:43:42 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Sure it is, if you had paid attention you would understand that. But since you decline to defend your position from a Catholic viewpoint, go ahead and make your non-Catholic, secular argument.
9 posted on 04/26/2003 12:47:16 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: sinkspur
Center for the Original Intent of the Constitution
Michael P. Farris, Counsel of Record

The historical evidence clearly shows that state legislatures have always possessed a broad authority to outlaw private, consensual sex, and that they also prohibited same-sex sodomy specifically since the earliest days of American history. Enactment of the Bill of Rights in 1791 and the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868 did not alter that state legislative authority. This Court has frequently looked to the Constitution's "text, history and precedent" to determine its meaning. Eldred v. Ashcroft, ___ U. S. ___, 123 S. Ct. 769, 777 (2003). As this Court recently reiterated in Eldred v. Ashcroft, "a page of history is worth a volume of logic." Id., quoting New York Trust Company v. Eisner, 256 U. S. 345, 349 (1921); see also U. S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton, 514 U. S. 779, 790 (1995) (" Against this historical background, we viewed the Convention debates as manifesting the Framers' intent that the qualifications in the Constitution be fixed and exclusive.").

It is a settled constitutional principle within our federal republic that states possess general police powers. Inherent within these powers lies the duty to regulate the "health, safety, and morals" of their members. Barnes v. Glen Theater, 501 U. S. 560, 569 (1991) (referencing public indecency statutes which were designed to protect morals and public order). States have used this police power to promote marriage and direct the sexual activities of their citizens into marriage by criminalizing a wide variety of nonmarital sex acts, such as polygamy, rape, fornication, adultery, prostitution and incest. While crimes such as rape and incest are not consensual, adultery, prostitution, polygamy and fornication are private acts between consenting adults that have been regulated throughout our nation's history. As we shall demonstrate, states have possessed and properly exercised the authority to regulate deviate sexual conduct including sodomy at all relevant times in our nation's history.

33 posted on 04/26/2003 1:28:04 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: sinkspur
It is completely off track to bring such irrelevent matter into this debate.

You need to answer a basic question:

Do you believe that sex acts are 'protected' by the 14 th Amendment?

If so, which ones? Why those and not others?
269 posted on 04/26/2003 7:42:44 PM PDT by WOSG (All Hail The Free Republic of Iraq! God Bless our Troops!)
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