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Source: Army secretary resigns on Rumsfeld's demand
CNN.com ^ | 4/25/03

Posted on 04/25/2003 9:39:08 PM PDT by Hipixs

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Fred Mertz
Fred, I know what you are basing your opinion of White on...

And in that, you are right, but as a Secretary on the Army, he just didn't do us any good. The Air Force, and even the Navy poked us at every turn in the money battles. He 'went to war' over the wrong things.

Rummy 'firing' him is like the Ref stopping a fight... Do you want what is best for the Green Machine, or what is best for White (no offense, that's just my point...)

101 posted on 04/25/2003 11:09:47 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
You want his PR people to " talk for him " at press briefings ?

I have a " lack of current events " ? I suppose you meant to add " knowledge " in there, someplace, dear, and no, I am rather up to date on current events; always have been. Unlike you, I know that it would have been wrong, not to mention politically stupid, for Rummy to have someone else " talk for him ".

How about Colin Powell ? Do you not think, then, that he was on T.V. far too much ? Isn't he STILL, on T.V. too much and why didn't he have someone else " talk for him " ?

Only the president has a PRESS SECRETARY. PR guys & gals do NOT " talk for " any of the Cabinet.

Maybe you also think that there shouldn't have been daily press briefings done by the military. How about a PR person for that too ?

You " GET REAL ! Just come right out and say that you personally can't stand Rummy and think he hasn't done a good job . All of this beating around the bush is so ... disengeniously LIBERAL, dear. :-)

102 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PatrioticAmerican
True dat!
103 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:32 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Drammach
***you can call it a brilliant military victory ***

Those are not my words. Those are the words of all of the other coalition people heading up their contingents at CENTCOM.
104 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:44 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: chookter
I originally supported Crusader, but have gradually changed my mind.
Much of that is due to conversations I had with people here on FR.

I now consider missile technology to be superior to the artillery concept, if properly implemented.

105 posted on 04/25/2003 11:11:56 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: SAJ
Yes, I think we are... :)
106 posted on 04/25/2003 11:12:10 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Fred Mertz
Sigh
107 posted on 04/25/2003 11:12:11 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: chookter
Rummy's screwing up.

Who's the next Chief, Army staff?
108 posted on 04/25/2003 11:13:26 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: MEG33
Get with the program, man!
109 posted on 04/25/2003 11:14:23 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I don't recall any SECDEF briefing during the Clinton years. But during GulfWar1....I do recall SECDEF briefings.
110 posted on 04/25/2003 11:15:06 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: justshe
I'm betting doing those pressers is the LAST thing Rumsfield wants to do.

That would be a pretty good bet .. plus I bet they would be a little shorter if the press didn't keep asking the same questions over and over

111 posted on 04/25/2003 11:19:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Fred Mertz
Rummy's screwing up.

Not with White... Good guy or not, he just didn't hit his stride in the Sec Army position. Fred, I'm tellin ya, we've gotten poked over the past few budget rounds and he bought UDLP (formerly FMC) propaganda about Crusader. The concept was fine, the execution was shite.

Who's the next Chief, Army staff?

I haven't a clue. Anyone I would like to see is an analyst for FOX right now LOL!

112 posted on 04/25/2003 11:19:28 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
Tom McInerny would make a Great Secty of the Army.

LOL

His Air Force Background will help the Army

113 posted on 04/25/2003 11:22:23 PM PDT by agincourt1415
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To: PatrioticAmerican
So less than half were enemy, you think that validates your swipe? If you prefer to only speak to those 50 who were killed by the enemy I will allow it.

We had firefights, you bet, but our advatage was incredible

The your VERY next sentence is Rummy micromanaged the war how in the world did could any force have an advantage with this "idiot" calling every shot? I've always undersold the effects of leaders on a war, but if he was HALF as bad as you and your buddie Fred baselessly paint him, even though he's not pulling the trigger, logic dictates this 3 week war never ends.

He's a micro manager according to the now infamous Unnamed sources (this hasn't been brought up yet here, but I'd bet your bottom $ this White was most assuredly one of those sources. The Bush Admin is notorious for eliminating leaks.) Your timing betrays an agenda. Just as MoveOn.org is now reduced to opening campaigning against Bush, their primary motivation, you're fixated on Rummy. Why? Hit me with your best shot, but I doubt its important to anyone else.

114 posted on 04/25/2003 11:22:32 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: Mo1
I still LOL at what HAS to be THE DUMBEST QUESTION ever asked at a press briefing by some bimbo masquarading as a journalist:
"Have you installed an '800' number in Baghdad so soldiers or regime people can call in and surrender?"

115 posted on 04/25/2003 11:22:59 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: chookter
General Hunt?
116 posted on 04/25/2003 11:23:56 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: justshe
those are not my words..

I understand you were simply quoting the opinions of military busy patting themselves (and each other) on the back(sides?) and congratulating each other.
But if one quotes another as an "authoratative source", it is rational to assume that one agrees with the statements.
If you disagreed, you should have said so.

However, it was still no criticism, just putting forth the premise that it is too soon to tell if this campaign was brilliant or just lucky.
Hitler's germany used the "blitzkreig" as well, and did it much better, IMHO.

117 posted on 04/25/2003 11:24:41 PM PDT by Drammach
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To: agincourt1415
His Air Force Background will help the Army

With our style of warfare, I wouldn't rule that out. One doesn't have to be that branch to the Sec of a branch...

118 posted on 04/25/2003 11:25:14 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: justshe
I kinda like him... As well as whats'isname--McGuinness?
119 posted on 04/25/2003 11:26:47 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Drammach
Point well taken.

And the reason those comments struck me was because of the British commanders stating that this war plan by the Americans will be studied for years, due to its' brilliance.
120 posted on 04/25/2003 11:28:20 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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