Jail term won't alter juror's defiant attitude [amazing stupidity]

Grand Rapids Press ^ | Friday, April 25, 2003 | Barton Deiters and Doug Guthrie

[Steel Wolf]

I'm not saying that this guy should have had to pull jury duty. Obviously, he should and could have been exempted. They weren't asking him to kowtow before the judge and beg for mercy. If he could have mustered 2 minutes of self control, he wouldn't be in jail.

Like the example I stated earlier about the cop; just because you are in the right doesn't mean you can curse out the law enforcement/judiciary for bothering you. No one asked him to kneel and kiss their pinky ring, they were just doing their jobs in a straightforward, professional manner. He reacted like he was speaking to someone at the bar who spilled beer on him on purpose.

If a cop pulls someone over for a traffic violation they don't think they did, do you think that they should be able to tell him to screw off and drive away? Would that make this a better country?

[Scenic Sounds]

I think the judge was right. There are legitimate excuses from jury duty. A jury trial is one of the corner stones of our legal system.

Of course the judge was right.

Since the end of the draft, I think jury service is the only time that our government demands a citizen's personal services. But, for some people even that is apparently too much to ask.

[B-Chan]

Brian Scott Lett is not the shiniest penny in the mint. But this poor shlub he has no car, takes a cab, has to care for his 1-year-old daughter, and cannot afford to miss time at his maintenance job.

All this guy had to do was call the Clerk of the Court and explain his situation. Arrangements would almost certainly have been made. This person strikes me as an insecure smartass, hypersensitive about any perceived injury to his precious "rights" -- the kind of pinched-faced loser who installs a remote-switched headlamp on the back of his pickup truck to "teach tailgaters to stay offa mah aiyuss."

Persons of that sort are the inevitable product of a culture that worships Liberty instead of Duty.

[jimtorr]

So, I guess you are unfamiliar with the jury system. One of the first questions asked is if there is any reason that you should be excused.

Citizen Juries are the cornerstone of the American Justice System. Without Citizen Juries we become French.

Jury duty is not voluntary. It is an obligation that all citizens have, just because they are citizens. Every jury in the land is composed of citizens who were called on to do their duty to justice.

What is your problem?

[friendly]

Juries are treated like dirt, lead and molded in their opinion by corrupt judges and lawyers, and grossly overused. The lawyer industry has flooded the courts with fake civil cases, only to make vast fortunes for the shysters. The courts have failed and jury duty has a lot to do with this.

Do you really think that a carefully crafted group of trailer trash and urban welfare morons should decide the complexities of a bogus multi-billion class action suit, where the plaintiff lawyers make vast fortunes and the alleged plaintiffs get worthless coupons?

And the final summary of modern juries: "OJ"

[tiamat]

AND you get free donuts!

Well... here anyway!

MMMmmmmm.......donuts! Aaaaaaaghhhhhhhh!

Tia

[Henrietta]

"What is your problem?"

Probably that for many people, myself included, the idea of being asked to show up and sit around all day while the trial lawyers try to find the "right" mix of people is an insult. I would gladly serve on a jury if I knew that there would be no "voir dire" to exclude jurors with an iota of common sense.

I shredded my last jury summons, and never heard from the court. They can't prove that you got it unless they sent it registered mail. Mail theft is a big problem in some cities, you know.

[friendly]

Probably that for many people, myself included, the idea of being asked to show up and sit around all day while the trial lawyers try to find the "right" mix of people is an insult. I would gladly serve on a jury if I knew that there would be no "voir dire" to exclude jurors with an iota of common sense.

Finally, someone with common sense! Thank you Henrietta.

[Quix]

GOOD FOR THE JUDGE.

The joker's attitude is like

her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery--who
wouldn't stoop to such a little people duty.

Jury duty is almost a sacred honor in our system of government and justice. His attitude and behavior are inexcusable.

He should have thought of his year old daughter before acting out and mouthing off. He sounds like an accident waiting to happen anyway.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"If he could have mustered 2 minutes of self control, he wouldn't be in jail."

You mean, if he could have mustered 8 hours of time away from his productive job supporting his family, to tell a "civil servant" judge what he needed to hear to compensate for the judge's own self esteem deficiencies (in comparison to his competent law school colleagues who are earning triple his salary, voluntarily paid), he wouldn't have been sentenced by that judge?

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Since the end of the draft, I think jury service is the only time that our government demands a citizen's personal services. But, for some people even that is apparently too much to ask."

Please explain the moral distinction between the draft, jury "duty" and slavery. (Other than who is the slavemaster.)

[Atlas Sneezed]

"All this guy had to do was call the Clerk of the Court and explain his situation. Arrangements would almost certainly have been made."

Kunta Kinte did fine when he played up to the "Massa" as well!

Suck up to your local tyrants! It's the American Way!(R)

[Atlas Sneezed]

How is a "Citizen Jury"(R) incompatible with voluntary service?

[Atlas Sneezed]

I shredded my last jury summons, too! Since they didn't send it by registered mail (the lazy, cheap bastards!), they can't prove I received it!

(I don't have a contempt for society, I have a contempt for government!)

[Scenic Sounds]

Please explain the moral distinction between the draft, jury "duty" and slavery. (Other than who is the slavemaster.)

I've served as a juror, but I wasn't drafted and I've never been a slave so I can't personally help you much with the differences. However, I suspect that if you ever do get a chance to ask a slave, they'll probably be able to tell you about plenty of differences. ;-)

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Jury duty is almost a sacred honor in our system of government and justice."

How many tens of thousand of dollars of your family's financial security are you willing to sacrifice on the altar of our corrupt judicial system?

[friendly]

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[Hoppean]

Since the end of the draft, I think jury service is the only time that our government demands a citizen's personal services. But, for some people even that is apparently too much to ask.

What about all the taxes and regulations there are on the citizens? We're already serfs at this point.

[Steel Wolf]

No, I mean that if he had followed that pesky Constitution thingy and showed up for jury duty, and not cursed out a public official for no reason whatsoever, he could have put in for his exemption and gone home. Sure, he would have had to miss a couple hours of work, and spring for a ride to the courthouse and back.

What is astounding is that allegedly patriotic and civic minded Americans see this as so unreasonable. There isn't so much as a hint of any wrongdoing on the part of the civil servants; they just asked him to show up as required by law.

You might not like the IRS, and think that they have been unfairly taking your hard earned money. Does that mean you can call them up and say '(explative) you, I'm not paying my taxes, bitch'. No, you can't. You could make as many ad hominem attacks against IRS agents you like, but you'd be on the wrong side of the law.

[Iris7]

I got a chuckle out of your attempts to gain attention by being outrageous. But you know, you sound like a Bakunin leftist. Perhaps you would be happier hanging out at a different web site?