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To: MHGinTN
"If/when the 'egg' divides, it is no longer an egg"

OK.. we have your opinion at least quantified - an egg that has been fertilized, but not yet accomplished it's first division, is to you still an egg.

( which allows the use of the "morning after pill")

... and an egg that has been convinced to divide via chemical means is an example of the creation of life by non-living material.

interesting

113 posted on 04/30/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: RS
You're so full of sh!t, it's amazing! An ovum is alive as a cell. Only God derives life from the lifeless. What a Maroon you're proving yourself to be ...
115 posted on 04/30/2003 2:02:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: RS
The "morning after pill" couldn't work faster than the zygote can divide.
I think the precise point used as a marker for successful fertilization is the expulsion of the polar body and the fusion of the nuclei of the sperm and oocyte. However, the *usual* marker in the real world would be division or replication of the chromosomes.

http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html

""2) Fertilization

Now that we have looked at the formation of the mature haploid sex gametes, the next important process to consider is fertilization. O'Rahilly defines fertilization as:

"... the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments, and ends with the intermingling of maternal and paternal chromosomes at metaphase of the first mitotic division of the zygote. The zygote is characteristic of the last phase of fertilization and is identified by the first cleavage spindle. It is a unicellular embryo."9 (Emphasis added.)

The fusion of the sperm (with 23 chromosomes) and the oocyte (with 23 chromosomes) at fertilization results in a live human being, a single-cell human zygote, with 46 chromosomes — the number of chromosomes characteristic of an individual member of the human species. Quoting Moore:

"Zygote: This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo). The expression fertilized ovum refers to a secondary oocyte that is impregnated by a sperm; when fertilization is complete, the oocyte becomes a zygote."10 (Emphasis added.)
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The oocyte is living - it's not an individual organism until it is somehow stimulated to replicate the chromosomes and the nucleus with the proper chromosomes begins mitosis. Then, she's an individual of that species as long as she lives.
129 posted on 04/30/2003 4:51:59 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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