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To: hocndoc
"RS, the cell lines weren't chosen because they were infected, they were chosen because the researchers were trying to find cell lines that would grow in a vat, "


Then I guess these anti-abortion groups have their info wrong -
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/May2002/VaxMadeAbortedBabies.htm



"How do you feel about using Mengele's research on twins for your benefit?"
Probably the same way that I feel about the soldiers who were killed in the wars to protect my "right to life, liberty ...."

"... there is a vaccine for rubella that is not grown in the human cell line."
True now, but it came out 20 years after the original - 20 more years of infected babies - .
If the research on cells from aborted babies had not been done, how can you be sure that Japanese would have ever come up with their technique ?



"humans are endowed with the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness/property "

Do these rights also involve the "right" to force someone else to provide you with them ?
100 posted on 04/30/2003 8:01:28 AM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: RS
The article is confusing when it discusses the development of WI-39, but it doesn't actually say that the cell donor was infected. The virus was obtained from an infected child that was aborted, but the cell line donor was not infected.

From that site I refered you to:
http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm


""Additional Facts - Rubella

The Rubella vaccine, produced by Merck & Company was taken from an aborted baby during the 1964 rubella epidemic when some mothers were advised to have abortions, rather than risk their child being born with Congenital Rubella Syndrome. It was from the 27th baby aborted and immediately dissected that the active rubella virus was finally found. It was commonly referred to as RA27/3, where R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus, 3=third tissue culture explant. The abortionist collaborated with the Wistar Institute to collect the aborted babies in order to isolate the virus. The vaccine virus was then cultivated in the lung tissue of another aborted female baby, approximately 3 months gestation. (WI-38) (Attenuation of RA27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells, Plotkin, Stanley, et. al., American Journal of Disease of Childhood, 118:178-185, 1969.) This abortion was performed because "the parents felt they had too many children." (G. Sven, S. Plotkin and K. McCarthy, Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis; Inactivated Rubella Virus; Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines, American Journal of Diseases of Children, vol. 118, August 1969).The new vaccine was developed in Philadelphia, Pa. and tested on orphans. (American Journal Diseases of Children, Vol. 110, Oct. 1965) Considering that there was already two licensed rubella vaccines on the market and considering that they could have done exactly what the Japanese did in order to isolate the rubella virus (they swabbed the throat of an infected child), it is obvious this vaccine was created in order to justify fetal tissue research. It is also important to note that Rubella is basically a harmless childhood disease that is only considered to have possible serious effects on the unborn child when a pregnant woman is exposed to the virus during her first trimester. Should this occur, 20-25% of these cases will develop some form of Congenital Rubella Syndrome, which may cause malformations of the heart, eyes or brain, deafness, or liver, spleen and bone marrow problems.

Other Sources: Christina Abel RN.
Merck & Company""
124 posted on 04/30/2003 4:17:19 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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