Human Cloning

FreeRepublic ^ | 4/24/2003 | Marvin Galloway

[MHGinTN]

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[E.G.C.]

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[PGalt]

Thanks for the ping.

[RS]

Did a search for "vaccines from aborted fetus" and it popped up pretty quick. Mostly religious anti-abortion sites. Didn't think to save the ones that gave good info, but it should't be too hard to locate.
Interesting that you brought up "cadaver pituitaries" since these fetuses were cadavers when the cells were removed also.

[MHGinTN]

The cadavers from whom the growth hormone was taken were all adults. Don't try to read something into what I post. I'm usually very plain and transparent with my offerings. If you have a question, be brave and ask it, else don't try to play games with what I post. Gotcha games are frowned upon at FR.

[MHGinTN]

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[RS]

"The cadavers from whom the growth hormone was taken were all adults."

Adult or fetus, my point was that they were both dead for reasons other then to harvest the needed parts, therefore there is no tie in either case to any objection to cloning.
( which appears to be the focus of this thread )

[MHGinTN]

Actually, there is a connection, unless you want to assert that the cloning techniques designed for 'therapeutic cloning' will not harvest the conceived clone's parts and in so doing kill the clone. You know the design is to do just that.

[RS]

Let me ask you... is a fertilized egg in a dish a fetus ?

[MHGinTN]

Stop trying to play gotcha, RS. There is no such reality as an egg, once fertilization has occurred. The conceptus (which is the actual reality of the fertilized) is an EMBRYO in earliest age of a lifetime begun, albeit in a dish not in a host body.

[MHGinTN]

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[CJ Wolf]

"I always thought this was funny - like a peanut sized lung would help someone who smoked too much..." Yeah but maybe like ten of them little sacks might work. Plus you could plan ahead, (no pun intended) when you start smoking you could start a clone give it a lobodmy, feed it like cattle and chickens and after 20 years you got a new lung. you could even start a farm, with little pens for them to run around in and jump. Maybe brain transplant is the way to go, why get a new lung when you can get a new fully compatible body.

[MHGinTN]

Now that I've stopped laughing ... thanks, I needed that!

[syriacus]

Thanks for the ping. This was a well-written article (which I am bookmarking).

[syriacus]

There is no such reality as an egg, once fertilization has occurred. The conceptus (which is the actual reality of the fertilized) is an EMBRYO in earliest age of a lifetime begun, albeit in a dish not in a host body.

Bears repeating, and needs repeating.

You'd think the difference between an egg and an embryo would be clear as a bell. But, pro-choicers love to confuse the distinction, especially those scientists who have an interest in creating a human life for the purpose of destroying it. They will be the first to jump on pro-lifers who don't have tiny facts close at hand, but they, themselves, have constructed an entirely unrealistic overview of conception.

As I wrote in another thread, even intelligent, renowned scientific writers are guilty of espousing this unbelievably shoddy thinking when it serves their purposes.

I really get mad when people who want to mold opinions say that apples are oranges. They try to win an argument, that they are afraid they will lose, by changing definitions.

[general_re]

I really get mad when people who want to mold opinions say that apples are oranges.

Like when an unfertilized egg is suddenly defined as an "embryo"?

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

[MHGinTN]

The scientists doing the deeds call the individual live EMBRYOS. THESE EMBRYOS are evidencing mitosis and differentiation. They are alive individaul beings at embryo age, despite your efforts to obfuscate that.

[general_re]

I think we can manage to disagree without labeling it "obfuscation" - I could as easily say the same thing about someone who wants to cloud the issue by obfuscating the fact that an unfertilized egg isn't an embryo by any accepted defintion ;)