Human Cloning

FreeRepublic ^ | 4/24/2003 | Marvin Galloway

[MHGinTN]

Something in the air, I suspect. The cloning bill is about to be debated in Congress, so the fecal material will begin to collect. I just wanted my fellow freepers to have a bit more background info whne the lies, dissembling and half truths start flying.

[MHGinTN]

Ping ... you might as well get it all.

[MHGinTN]

PING

[RS]

"A human clone is a human being ...

I don't understand why this is even needed, but why would anything after it be necessary ?

[Mr. Silverback]

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[AndrewC]

There are many reasons cited by opponents, but it is wrong primarily because the manipulation of individual humans in their earliest age as individual embryonic beings is dehumanizing … dehumanizing for the individuals so conceived for their utility and dehumanizing for the society, which embraces such cannibalism.

Bears repeating.

[cpforlife.org]

Marvin,

Thanks for this. It will be an important reference.

My perspective on all of this is real simple: One man and one woman get married, THEN they cooperate with God’s design for procreation—period, end of story. If you can’t conceive naturally and you really believe you should have children, ADOPT. Everything else is tantamount to building a new tower of Babel. Eventually (I hope soon) God’s Mercy will be tested one too many times and His Justice will be upon us.

[RS]

"Instead, the newly conceived individuals will be killed and their body parts--from cells to organs"

I always thought this was funny - like a peanut sized lung would help someone who smoked too much...

[MHGinTN]

Many of the vaccines used today are derieved through exploitation of aborted fetuses. The issue of a pea sized lung is ludicrous, as you suggest. But the goal will be to remove and sustain tissues, at first, then whole organs, as therapeutic cloning moves to the fetal stage of life support before harvesting. Many of the tissues in your body produce endocrine chemicals necessary to 'cure', reverse, or alleviate ailments, such as diabetes. It would be possible to treat Parkinson's disease with the brain tissue from a clone of you not already suffering parkinsonian symptoms.

[185JHP]

Thanks

[RS]

"Many of the tissues in your body produce endocrine chemicals necessary to 'cure', reverse, or alleviate ailments, such as diabetes. It would be possible to treat Parkinson's disease with the brain tissue from a clone of you not already suffering parkinsonian symptoms."

You seem to know what you are talking about, but are endocrine chemicals presently rejected because of DNA differences ?
You say "It would be possible to treat ... " you don't say anything about if this type of treatment would have any possibility of success.
- again, is brain tissue presently rejected because of DNA problems and have experiments shown that the procedure you are expecting to be performed would be successfull if the DNA matched ?

[RS]

"Many of the vaccines used today are derieved through exploitation of aborted fetuses"

Could you name some of the "many" ?

[MHGinTN]

Oh my, I would have to go back into deep files, but they include the most popular used for preschoolers. Perhaps the Lady Physician has them closer to hand and would post them.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[MHGinTN]

FYI

[MHGinTN]

Sorry, I missed your #11.

Tissue rejection usually is caused by the body's imune system attacking the foreign tissue because of the 'proteins' mismatch. With a clone, the idea is to duplicate the proteins of your body, in the clone, thus the tissues of the clone will not be recognized as foreign when implanted. Some bone transpalnts are now accomplished without the anti-rejection drugs so heavily used with typical ransplant therapy. The technique involves freezing the bone to a very low temp before thawing and transplanting. Again, hocndoc can give you much better information here.

[MHGinTN]

as an aside, we treated my son with growth hormone derived from cadaver pituitaries (back in the 70's; no synthetics then). The hormone was not rejected because only the molecules were injected, leaving the proteins in a lab centifuge.

[RS]

To save you some time -
The vaccines used at the present time for chicken pox,hepatitis-A and rubella are derived from cell lines taken from two (2) aborted fetuses in the 60's and 70's that were already infected with the diseases.

These vaccines are in use mostly today to protect pregnant mothers and their babies from the diseases - without them, many more babes would be born diseased.

Cloning babies would do nothing - these cells were used specifically because they were already infected.

To someone who does not know the details, your post makes it sound as if aborted babies are used to produce these vaccines, and this as you know is untrue.

[MHGinTN]

I'm sorry if my wording was misleading. And I'm curious: if you knew the answer to the vaccine question, why did you ask it? If you just came across the data, how about sharing the source link with fellow freepers.

[MHGinTN]

I looked again at what I posted ...Many of the vaccines used today are derived through exploitation of aborted fetuses... and the use of the present tense verb can be misleading, but it was not intentional. The original lines of the virus strains were derived from aborted fetuses.