Time: Turkish Special Forces Team held by U.S near Kirkuk

MSNBC

[yodel hound]

from the 4th ID to the turkish sf...Got air support? Your right, it would NOT be purdy!

[pragmatic_asian]

"...Turkey has not done anything that even smacks of what you are talking about in over 100 years..."

My Armenian friends would take issue with that.

[gaspar]

Reference Incirlik, please provide your source on information that we have removed our planes, which would be a very significant development indeed.

[a_Turk]

>> Turkey has no land grab schemes, eh, a_Turk?

Twelve soldiers driving down the main highway with a trunk full of arms? Sounds liek pinky and the brain are at it. They'll soon take over the WORLD!

[Dog Gone]

Here's one source

[eleni121]

Dismal.

[EarlyBird]

You're conveniently ignoring Col. Mayville's assessment:

"Their objective is to create an environment that can be used by Turkey to send a large peacekeeping force into Kirkuk."

But then you usually do ignore facts that don't fit your arguments, so I'm not surprised.

I'll say it again, all Turkey wants is the Kirkuk oil fields. If anyone is causing agitation and destabilization in that area it is the Turks and not the Kurds.

And I suppose when the next commando team is captured by the Kurds and dealt with by them instead of by the US, you'll scream that the Kurds committed a terrorist act.

[a_Turk]

Colonel Mayville, is welcome to kiss my patoot. The environment to send in the troops already exists. This very singular report is unsubstantiated. I haven't been able to find another one which does not reference it.

[alethia]

We'd want them on our side -- unless they're not on our side. Then we need to take care of business, mean mother******s or not. I think this was a warning on our part. I somehow don't think we'll be as nice next time -- nor should we be.

[alethia]

Bending over "backwards" isn't the problem...

[alethia]

I agree with everything you said in this post. I have great respect for the ferocity of Turkish Special Forces. I will also say that Turkey has been responsible for some horrendous acts of genocide against the Greeks and Armenians - elini1 has most likely experienced this firsthand as has my husband and his family. The perspective is colored by this experience.

I had a professor in college who'd fought in the Korean War. He said that the Greeks and Turks were ferocious against the Koreans in the daytime -- then fought each other under the cover of darkness.

This failed mission is also flat out wrong from our point of view and we shouldn't let it go by unpunished. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward.

[alethia]

Yes -- and there are many Greek Cypriots still missing -- in the tens of thousands.

[a_Turk]

>> in the tens of thousands

These numbers have a way of growing, as illustrated by your comment. At a modest percentage of growth per year, 80 years from now we could be looking at over a million.

Pathetic, and ridiculous.

Quick, tell me how many Turkish Cypriots were massacred by the Greek Enosis death squads before the Turkish Army arrived in line with our treaty obligations?

I am amazed! Astonished at you.. How is it that an enlightened person can be so blind sometimes?

Truly amazing..

[a_Turk]

>> I guess lyilng is common place to some cultures.

How am I lying you *******? Look at my profile page. I haven't changed it since I signed up, and it says that I live in the US and hope to return after I'm done raising my kids.

Man, I'd like to rip you a new one, if it were at all worth it.

[Turk2]

Clueless as hell aren't you? You people are so full of it.

[a_Turk]

>> BTW, aturk should come along any time and let us know this is all due to our not keeping certain promises after GW1.

The PKK terror organization is getting their share of Irak's arms. To be used against Turkey.. Mostly civilians. This won't amuse a Turkish public already disgusted:

1- GW1: PKK gets Irak weapons to use in terror acts against Turkey. US salutes.

2- 90s: US congress blocks Bush promised aid to offset GW1 economic losses..

3- 90s: US congress blocks weapons sales to Turkey during height of terrorist PKK activity (36000 citizens killed), says might use it against own people..

4- 90s: US allows PKK propaganda to be disseminated freely RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR EMBASSY IN DC! Doesn't stop it until soon after 9/11.

Go ahead. Make Bin Laden's day...

[a_Turk]

I currently reside in Ohio, but I am a Turk, always will be, and as nice as your country and your people are over here, home is where the heart is..

[Little Bill]

I must have misread one of your posts on where you were living, it matters not. My Uncle was shot down in Korea and was rescued by the Turkish Army, we have a debt.

[alethia]

Actually, a_Turk, this information is documented as around 30,000 to 50,000. I pretty significantly downscaled what I had read/researched in different sources. What is the number of missing that you have in mind? Surely you will not say that no Greek Cypriots are missing? The numbers were significant.

I am also not blind to the fact that there have been in excess of 30,000 Turkish citizens murdered by Kurdish terrorists in recent years. This has caused the high level of angst and desire to prevent more Turkish deaths at most any cost -- including sending Special Operations forces into Northern Iraq.

We lost 3000 American citizens on September 11th -- and we will never forget how these deaths occurred and who was responsible. Our current military action shows the lengths to which our country will go to preserve its security.

In all of these cases, these deaths have caused pain, suffering and hatred to the people and ethnic groups suffering them. I am quite enlightened -- and pretty balanced in my outlook and presentation of the facts, a_Turk.