Posted on 04/24/2003 11:58:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff
COMMENTARY More activists have eye on state Our View: Libertarians' Free State Project looking around for what it hopes is fertile territory --- Don't look now, but another group of fringe political opportunists is seriously considering moving to Idaho en masse and co-opting its political machinery.
The Free State Project is smitten by Idaho and Wyoming.
Organizers view the two states as bastions for smaller government and individual liberty – and a good fit for as many as 20,000 Libertarians who are yearning to be free of Big Government. Idaho is the favorite among the "bigger" states – population around 1.2 million – being viewed as potential migration sites. Wyoming has an edge over New Hampshire among the smaller ones.
Indeed, Idaho is a live-and-let-live state that prefers smaller government. But it won't be an easy touch for an outside band of activists with ulterior motives. The Aryan Nations misjudged Idaho – and spent a quarter of a century fighting a losing battle with human-rights activists. In Idaho, Free Staters would be squeezed by anti-abortion conservatives, aggressive newspapers, the Republican establishment, and the Mormon church in the south.
They should think again about rating Idaho so high on their list.
At this point, Free State Project has signed up 3,000 activists who are willing to move to a designated state to work to transform government into their image. Once they recruit 5,000, the Free Staters will pick their state.
According to www.freestateproject.com, Idaho ranks high because, among other things, it has a strong predicted job growth. It votes for conservative and Libertarian presidential candidates. It cherishes gun freedom. It has the initiative and referendum process (for working around stubborn legislatures). It's a right-to-work state. And its teachers' union is weak.
The Free State Project, of course, is far more benign than Richard Butler's Aryan Nations. But it's making the same mistake Butler did when he launched his "territorial imperative" – a whites-only homeland in the Northwest. Butler thought the monocultural region would be fertile ground for his creed. He didn't count on the task force of human-rights activists that fought him until his dream was left in the ruins of his razed compound.
Unquestionably, the Free Staters would find some sympathizers for a political philosophy that mixes extreme fiscal conservatism with social liberalism. In Idaho, third-party candidate Ross Perot, after all, almost edged Democrat Bill Clinton for second place in the 1992 presidential election.
The Free Staters, of course, can move to Idaho or anywhere else. But they might not find a red carpet waiting for them.
• "Our View" represents the editorial voice of The Spokesman-Review. It is written by members of the editorial board.
Many places. Try boards such as "LibertyForum" or "Polinco".
Come back when you get your head out of the sand ;).
I've given you general directions where to look for this stuff, and you expect me to go out and actually work for you? You'll have to wait a bit - I haven't kept any of it and sifting through their hangouts isn't on my agenda for tonite.
Then again, you're probably just a petty disrupter.< /whine>
Yeah, everytime I see an agglomeration of Brigadiers I just have to disrupt. The law forbids me to shoot'em :)).
IMO, you need to learn some manners.
Carolyn
Sunni Maravillosa is also, if I'm not mistaken, also intimately connected with "LibertyForum", a board that claims to be "Libertarian" but is in reality heavily slanted towards a neo-nazi userbase with a sprinkling of rabid communists. Its most popular article sources seem to be outlets such as:
Carol on the web
Strike the root
CODOH
Stormfront
Overthrow (Bill White)
Vanguard News Network (Alex Linder)
Aryan Nations
International A.N.S.W.E.R
AlJazeera
Zundelsite (Texoma channels Ingrid Rimland and Ernst Zundel)
In fact, Sunni is what they laughingly call a "Moderator" on that board, a function that seems to entail nothing but help ensure that the few non-nazi voices on there are censored by a nifty little mechanism involving "fame points". Simply explained, if you do not bow to the gods of Ernst Zundel and Adolf Hitler you become a social outcast and your posts cannot be read unless the reader perform some extra acrobatics to get at them.
I'm not surprised. Alex Linder of Vanguard has been on here too, so have a number of other nazi notables such as Matthias Giwer, and heaps of "small fry" such as texoma, JRadcliffe and D_Joyce. All have now congregated on LibertyForum.
And there you have the problem, really, in a nutshell. LF is a "free society". It has, basically, no rule except mob rule. It lends itself to being taken over (not that that wasn't by design in the first place, the site starters seeded it deliberately with neo-nazis and terrorist wannabes). Now that it seems that the operators of LF are involved with the FSP, I expect the project to fall into the same morass unless steps are taken to prevent such a development.
They certainly may have signed up for FSP and may be part of the number total, but the leadership within FSP has not changed to include them.
For one thing, FSP is not the same as the LP, there is an organization and people certainly can be removed, and perhaps you'd be surprised to know that Libertarians have been kicked off of FSP internet forums for their behavior.
Of course, we certainly can't stop anyone from moving to any state they choose. At this point Neo's and other whack jobs can move freely to any state within the union.
Well, 3500+ to date have given their word- pledged- that they'll make the move when the time comes. That includes some who have opted out of some particularly harsh states [Alaska] or those where they figure the FSP move would be unworkable for them. But it's getting there, and sooner than you suggested.
And though I don't expect to *take over* the legislature, I think there'll be a considerable impact both from those legislators from whatever *porcupine party* may evolve from the new FSP voters in the state, and from those of existing parties, particularly Republicans, who can find common ground and common goals with the porcupines without compromise of the principles of either. That too may take some doing, but it should be interesting at the very least.
I will indeed be glad to let you know how the FSP efforts are proceeding. But I expect you'll be hearing more in any event.
-archy-/-
AM, since TaxRelief challenged me to prove something, I'm posting the head of a thread from SF here. I've killed the live-links, and if folks want to look at this, please don't jump straight from FR.
This is fairly typical for what the neos are trying to do with respect to the FSP.
Pages:http://www.stormfront.org/threads/topic/56096-1.html
Posted by: uber1nh
Here is a way U.S. voters can be part of a legal political method to gain a single Free State that will be (at least predominantly) White. If this one state succeeds, others will follow.
http://www.freestateproject.org/2500.htm
All you need to do is register -- you indicate which states to which you do NOT wish to move, and which states might interest you (it works out great if your home state is on the list, like mine). If you register, please note they have discussion forums as well. Please keep everything you post clean of WN comments -- this project is not racially motivated and you understand the negative media campaign that would be aroused if a correlation could be drawn.
However, if you read the means and goals of the project, you can surmise why the states targeted are already White, and why those interested in participating are almost 100% guaranteed to be White. It is definitely a project worth your attention, so please check it out.
Thanks!
Uber1NH
And why is any of this considered sinister? No one, of any race, is being harmed by legal, voluntary political activity. We still have some degree of freedom of association in this country, and these people are merely expressing a political and demographic preference.
Ah. So the right of free association will be outlawed by the FSP brownshirts.
Example of "Legal, voluntary political activity"
Now let's draw an analogy:
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If a group of boys are going on a hike in a public park, and a little girl follows them, does that mean the boys are now girls?
What if the girl tells everyone they pass that she is following them? Would that turn the boys into girls?
Perhaps the only way the boys can stop this transgenderization would be to tell the girl to go away, but they can't can they? They are hiking in a public park.
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Lol. Notice that I've never said that the FSP are (or have become) Nazis, although I have heard some rumblings that the white supremacists may be successful in their tries to infiltrate. What I have said (and have proven) is that they are lusting after it.
Your analogy would work better if you posited a whole gang of girls following the boys. Then, of course, imagine your surprise when the girls one fine afternoon tells the guys that this is a "girls only" outing ;).
This is why those who wish to realize their utopic plans have to look outward, and gear up because it won't be a plain road and won't be easy at all once they leave the surface of the planet. Moon, Mars, or L-5, it will be a tough existence even for those who survive at all.
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