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To: MHGinTN
Have there ever been parthenogenically conceived mammalian organisms born?... Yes. I happen to have gone to the trouble of researching this line of assertion by these scientists.

How many normal mammalian organisms been developed? A few rabbits, out of tens of thousands of attempts. Parthenote mice invariably die after implantation - zero successes there. How many parthenogenetically-created primates have turned out to be viable? Zero. Why? At the moment, it looks as though without the complement of male genes, a placenta can't form, even if you implant it.

These are organisms that are truly not viable, and since the only way to test it - by implanting a human parthenote and seeing what happens - looks to be completely unethical because of what the evidence so far indicates is the likely outcome, we're just going to have to settle for that indirect evidence from other higher species for now and for the foreseeable future. The odds are very much against these being viable human embryos, and to treat them as such is not something supported by the evidence.

52 posted on 04/24/2003 10:02:07 PM PDT by general_re (You're just jealous because the voices are talking to me....)
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To: general_re
general_re,
I’m curious. What is your position on abortion?
54 posted on 04/24/2003 10:10:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: general_re
I agree completely with your reasoning here! It is a good thing to try these experiments with higher mammals, but not humans. What these marvels of nascent life may indeed discover are the processes which will allow them to grow organs and useful tissues (not organisms, organs) using the stem cells that exist in all of us! THAT would be medical miracle worth the work and a true boon to humankind (and, perhaps, all of life on earth!). Believe it or not (and you are probably even more aware of this than I), there are scientists working on these very aspects, and there may even be ways of (I think you may have already mentioned this, or Skywalk did) conceiving just the stem cell precursors to say a kidney and implanting that in a higher mammal for development into a usable organ, to be transferred from the animal to the human somatic cell donor!
55 posted on 04/24/2003 10:14:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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