Support For Senator Santorum vs The Liberal Left

4/24/2003 | Jon Alvarez

[jonalvy44]

In examining recent events concerning Senator Rick Santorum's remarks concerning gays, I am amazed to see the reaction from the liberal left. It seems that Senator Santorum's remarks may have been taken out of context. Whether that's true or not, the bigger issue is "So What?" We are witnessing a true "witch hunt" being conducted today as the left is calling for Santorum's resignation! Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Congressman Rangel is free to speak out, to accuse our country of murdering women and children without fear of repercussion. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites, why has Tom Daschle not been asked to step down for his attack on President Bush on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom??!! I'll tell you why. Political Correctness has run amuck in this country. Conservatives are afraid to speak out concerning issues that are considered sacred to the liberal left's agenda. Look at what happened to Trent Lott.

The Democrats and their supporters should be ashamed. I thought we lived in a democracy, where an official that is considered out of touch with his constituents' views is VOTED out of office. Since when has it been acceptable political process to use intimidation to force an elected official to resign when no law has been broken? Whatever happened to free speech? Are we no longer allowed to freely discuss controversial topics for fear of political attack and harrassment from the left? We are once again being treated to a situation where political correctness is running amuck in this country.

If Santorum were to be forced to resign, would that mean that Garofalo and Robbins could be forced to resign from the motion picture industry since they've offended patriotic Americans? Or does this new power apply only to liberals who will grasp at any straw because they truly don't believe in freedom of speech?

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Jon Alvarez Syracuse, NY Why we fight: Visit Alvy's forum: Americans For Victory Over Terrorism: Bush Country

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Why is this breaking news?

[JohnnyZ]

Same reason it's Ohio.

[mabelkitty]

Regardless of whether you agree with his interpretation of the law of not, his rights are being violated, and he is being discriminated against.

He needs to sue, sue, sue.

File a multi-million dollar lawsuit cited the discrimination of his religious beliefs and cite his First Amendment rights.

Then sue for harassment. Then sue for equal protection, as any Islamofacist is treated much different.

This would be the Media condoning/sponsoring only certain religions. Maybe that would be slander, as well.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

This is an editorial. I think it should be taken off of breaking news.

[Oldie]

As I have said before in another thread here:

While conservatives and libertarians have a similar take on many issues, they also have some irreconcilable differences. The issues here bring out those differences.

As a libertarian, I consider sodomy laws an affront to the very concepts of human liberty and human dignity.

The fact that most southern states actually have laws on the books that prohibit even oral sex in marriage is beyond ridiculous. The way I see it, Santorum has taken a stand here that suggests that he is an enemy of freedom and liberty.

[jonalvy44]

how true...where's the ACLU on this? wouldn't that be a hoot!

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

While conservatives and libertarians have a similar take on many issues, they also have some irreconcilable differences

I'm coming to the same conclusion.

Be VERY careful Oldie. You think you are being "principled" here, so did the Paleocons attacking Bush and the War, and now they may be the only bigger losers than France and Germany's oil companies. That wasn't an issue near and dear to their heart, but now their entire wing of the GOP is a laughingstock and no politician is going to listen to lobbying about immigration and other things they really do care about. Brilliant move pretentious dunderheads, any wonder why the Paleocons never get a single politician elected?

Mark my words on April 24, 2003 that history will repeat itself here if you lecturers on the Constitution don't choose your battles more wisely. Again you Liberatarians are so desperate to sound more "principled" (in heavy quotes) than anyone else that you cite Rights never in the Constitution, happily lining up with concepts only the NAMBLA wing of your Party agree with. Its one of your major downfalls and the reason I left the Liberatarian Party 4 years ago. The Losertarians have a political tin ear, embracing any kook concept or group that bashing the government under the guise of a schizophrenic concept of "Freedom" There is no coming "awakening" as they preach. They will never be successful in national politics til the end of time, Amen.

This is no different. This law is more of a community standard, and unenforceable laws have always applied to concept of taxing discourages/subsidizing encourages. Allowing this law to stand won't create Bedroom Cops any more than it has for this for 200 years or for ripping matress tags. Its paranoia and overstatements like this to prove to everyone else that you care more about freedom than anyone else that gets you marginalized by people who would agree with you.

Most importantly, you are a tiny minority. My friend ran for Mayor as a Liberatarian, believe me I know the clout. If you childishly create divisions within the GOP over this nonissue to prove to everyone your comprehension of "Freedom" you are destined not only to be kicked out, but your real important issues of gun control, slashing Fed and State spending, and rethinking entitlement programs will be as effectively lobbied as Pat Buchanon.

Take a nickles worth of free advice; chill out.

[nessus]

I've looked over the constitution carefully, and I don't see how Santorum's rights are being violated. Come to that, I don't know who the defendant would be.

I do see in the constitution where due process requires that laws must be applied equally. If sodomy is legal for heterosexuals, how come it is illegal for homosexuals? I think the 14th Amendment is pretty clear on this.

Mr. Santorum is similarly challenged is his claim that, throughout history, the nuclear family has been the model. Nothing could be further from the truth. All he needs do is spend a little more time with his bible, if he doesn't want to read history.

Nessus

[Oldie]

You are right. Only a small percentage of people really values freedom. Most people are willing to sell (or give up) their freedoms for a rather small price. Better a comfortable slave ... etc.

As for our rights as listed in the constitution, remember that many of the founders were vary of listing any freedoms at all because they correctly perceived that if some freedoms were listed then someday an authoritarian government would come along and say "these are the only freedoms and you can have and none other."

Consequently, many of the founders preferred listing only which freedoms could be curtailed by government and under what circumstances ... the idea being that this placed greater constraints on the authoritarian impulses of government.

As for being practical ... an enemy of freedom and liberty is an enemy.

[Oldie]

A bit of a follow up ... the link below is relevant here:

http://www.solohq.com/Articles/Perigo/The_Virtue_of_Extremism.shtml

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Most people are willing to sell (or give up) their freedoms for a rather small price. Better a comfortable slave

Aren't you just the heroic little Minute Man? No offense, but my God man, can't you see how completely insane that sounds regarding the Santorum comments? As for being practical ... an enemy of freedom and liberty is an enemy OK. That answers that question.

Look your flailing desperately to make a constitutional arguement is based on a bill of goods sold to the Liberatarian Party. This is PRECISELY why you don't let fringe groups like NAMBLA into your camp!!!! Your water supply was poluted. Wake up and smell the extremism. The sophist, lawyer arguement for the Right To Privacy was not used by the brilliant Founders for a reason. The word Privacy existed in the 18th Century. This has been invented by far Left Judges, or Judicial Activists, to create law free zones. This precident can be gleefully used to excuse all behavior. Precisely the breed you good people SHOULD be against, but because of your blind following of any loudmouth that screaming against the government you don't see the devil right in front of your face.

Who benefits most from this agenda? Bigomist, Sexual predators, and Child molestors. Precisely what the great conservative Senator elucidated. Now he's vilified by Liberatarians. Come on, you guys think everything is a conspriracy...can't you see you might just be part of one?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

thought you fine fellows might enjoy my rant on Paleos in #8.

By the way, did we offically "Win" that FR arguement?

[jonalvy44]

So there's no concerted effort by Democrats to have him removed from his position within the Senate?

[Cyber Liberty]

I said this once before, but I didn't get in trouble for it so I'll shoot again.

Big "L" Libertarians remind me of newly post-op transvestites: Thrilled as all get-out at their new reality, and confused as to why other people not only don't share their excitement, but actually scorn them.

[hchutch]

This is the best post I have seen in a long time.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Ha! That's pretty funny.

I heard the former Presidential nominee on Larry Elder before the Afgan War (Harry Brown is his name?) Talking about how we must eliminate the Federal military, and support militia groups to fill the void. Any respect I had for Liberatarians officially ended.

Before that my friend had told me that almost everyone at their meetings was single issue nuts. Noteworthy represented was NAMBLA.

Like I said, they've been pooping in the Liberatarian water supply since the 70's. In an unrelated story, that's about the time the Right To Privacy was unearthed from the Constitution.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Thanks a bunch hchutch. We've gotta keep setting today's GOP straight. (no pun intended.) I'm not a big tent kind of guy when Paleos and Libertarians keep bringing in ideological SARS to the crowd.

By the way, haven't seen any bashing of Frum by the John Galts or AAABests or all the other pretentious kooks who's names I've forgotten around lately, guess we did win!

(actually, it was the Jooz that took away their internet connection)