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I buy it, but only to a degree. Lots of men and women voluntarily get sterilized once they've decided to stop having children. Sex then becomes strictly an act of self gratification, doesn't it? The same might even be said of straight couples that have sex while using birth control devices. My point is that self-gratification is another legitimate end of sexual relations.

[eastsider]

To my way of thinking, sterilization, birth control, etc. do not change the natural order of opposite-sex relations -- they frustrate it.