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Posted on 04/22/2003 5:25:25 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:25:25 PM PDT
by
RJCogburn
To: RJCogburn; PatrickHenry; LogicWings
any bets on how long it will take the Rand-haters to show up to shower her with their insults?
To: RJCogburn
More unsolicited drivel. Objectivists would rob people of their right to decide what kind of a society they are to live in, and that makes them anti-freedom.
To: Cultural Jihad
Well then, I'm guessing you're not interested. No point in clicking on the source for you. Others may differ.
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:32:59 PM PDT
by
RJCogburn
(Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
To: Cultural Jihad
I knew it would probably be CJ to sling the first arrow. "Satan, get thee away from me!" Eh, CJ?
To: RJCogburn
Well, I see the Rand-haters have already shown up, just as I predicted. Only took him 5 minutes from the time you posted until he had a cyber-hissy fit.
To: Cultural Jihad
"Objectivists would rob people of their right to decide what kind of a society they are to live in, and that makes them anti-freedom"
Why??
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:35:36 PM PDT
by
Betteboop
To: longshadow
any bets on how long it will take the Rand-haters to show up to shower her with their insults? Your bet has become moot. Didn't take long. By the way, did you ever read Rand's commencement address at West Point? Great stuff. To America's Armed Forces.
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:41:29 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
To: RJCogburn
Ayn Rand's bloviations are the philosophical equivalent of the brassy exhalations of a well-worn whoopee cushion.
To: PatrickHenry
Your bet has become moot. Didn't take long. Predictable, though. Authoritarians just can't sit by while anyone says anything nice about Rand.
By the way, did you ever read Rand's commencement address at West Point? Great stuff.
I've heard about it, but have never read it...... until NOW....
To: PatrickHenry
It's a wonderful speech and its my favorite in 'Philosophy, Who Needs It?'
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:47:57 PM PDT
by
HitmanLV
To: Kevin Curry
Well then, I'm guessing you're not interested either. No point in clicking on the source for you. Others may differ.
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:50:20 PM PDT
by
RJCogburn
(Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
To: PatrickHenry; RJCogburn
Don't look now, but (to paraphrase a caption from a wonderful "National Lampoon" cartoon from about 30 years ago).....
".... would ya look at the two a**holes on that elephant!"
(Whereupon the two guys riding the elephant, got off, and were last seen scratching their heads' whilst peering intently under the elephant's tail.....)
To: RJCogburn
Ayn Rand was a champion of individual rights, which protect the sovereignty of the individual as an end in himself; and of capitalism, which is the only social system that allows people to live together peaceably, by voluntary trade, as independent equals. I am not an objectivist, but about 85% of my philosophy is in agreement with Rand. I think her philosophy is incomplete in some areas, and outright wrong in one or two minor points, but, it is nevertheless the most progress in philosophy since Locke. Not bad for a Novelist.
Three quick quotes from The Autonomist's Notebook:
- With regard to Ayn Rand's philosophy, there are those who understand her, and those who hate her.
- Some who hate Ayn Rand do understand her. They hate her for the same reason the cockroach hates the light.
- Ayn Rand made mistakes, and it's a good thing too. If she had corrected them, those who only hated her would have murdered her. The evil hate the good, the perfectly good, they kill.
Hank
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:52:04 PM PDT
by
Hank Kerchief
(Do you know what I like, of course not, so don't tell me what to do.)
To: Betteboop
Why, indeed?
** The Government **
The government has a responsibility to enforce the laws. But it does much more than that. It sets a moral standard, based on the knowledge that some practices have evil consequences.
Doctors are aware how harmful sodomy is. The intestines were not designed for this purpose, and expensive operations have to be done to repair the damaged muscles and intestinal tissue. Diseases, also, are introduced through sodomy.
Practices which are harmful to the practitioners, as well as society, should not be encouraged. Such practices should be frowned upon, and not allowed. It would be cruel to allow people and society to suffer. We have no problem decrying the harmfulness of tobacco. But not sodomy, and other sexual perversions.
Why is this so?
The word "liberal" used to be religious term, denoting generosity of giving. Now, it's a secular term of licentiousness.
The vast majority of people are moral and decent. But in all the areas of power in this country, in the media, the advertisers, the entertainment industry, the government, the universities and schools, there are powerful groups of liberals who think if only people would fall into a "let live" attitude in morals, everything would be fine.
The whole liberal power-structure is geared to lowering morality, and they see it as a "crusade" to bring "freedom."
The bottomline, though, is greed. That is the driving-force behind their campaign against morality. Immorality generates money, and they're right behind, scooping it up.
To: Cultural Jihad
"Objectivists would rob people of their right to decide what kind of a society they are to live in"How so? Please explain
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:53:29 PM PDT
by
Lloyd227
(While I don't claim to know what the truth is, this was an interesting read)
To: Fzob; P.O.E.; PeterPrinciple; MWS; reflecting; DannyTN; FourtySeven; x; dyed_in_the_wool; Zon; ...
PHILOSOPHY PING
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Hank
To: Lloyd227
You would need to ask those who think 'Banned in Boston' was a pre-MTV colonial melodious troope. ;)
To: longshadow
The only threads I can think of that bring out more whackos than Ayn Rand are the Civil War, Evolution, and libertarianism.
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:57:18 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
To: longshadow
Aw, don't be too hard on CJ and Kevbo. Their predictable appearance on this thread is a tad suggestive of characters in a Rand novel, IMO.
Maybe sometime in the near future we can start a thread....something like who in a Rand novel does CJ or Kevbo most remind you?
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posted on
04/22/2003 5:57:37 PM PDT
by
RJCogburn
(Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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