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To: Remole
From the perspective of public order, no society should completely de-criminalize fornication between consenting unmarried heterosexual adults.

How would you propose to regulate this? Would you have jealous girlfriends reporting ex-boyfriends to the cops?

Should police patrol the halls of college dormitories?

I'm certainly not a libertarian, but you realize this is the same kind of thing the Islamist states do.

The consequence of wholesale license is children born outside of the bonds of marriage, and we see the sad effects of that all over the place.

So,should I not have a gun because I "might" kill somebody with it?

52 posted on 04/22/2003 10:39:38 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Please, notice how I expressed the issue: "no society should completely de-criminalize": I hope you notice that I left it at that. I expressed the issue as a negative: no society should de-criminalize it. That means that, the law having also a rhetorical effect, some statute against fornication is preferable to NO statute against fornication. HOW that statute would be crafted, under what circumstances a society could carry out "search and seizure" etc etc, is a matter of another thread.

Now, as to consequences. True, as long as your pistol is in its holster, you are not shooting up the neighborhood. The rhetorical, exhortative effect of a law against fornication may be positive in a similar way.

58 posted on 04/22/2003 10:48:23 AM PDT by Remole
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To: sinkspur
Remole and Hermann have hit the nail on the head on this issue.

How would you propose to regulate this? Would you have jealous girlfriends reporting ex-boyfriends to the cops?

Should police patrol the halls of college dormitories?

You would regulate this the same way you regulate statutory rape. We don't have police checking dorms, bedrooms, and the backseats of cars asking for ID and hauling in underage fornicators right now. Your rhetoric won't make it so either.

This is a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs. Removing all enforcement of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality will remove that which makes us what we are and makes us great.

By their fruits shall ye know them. Laws based upon Christian morality have served this nation well for over two hundred years despite recent attacks against them. This moral foundation has caused our nation to be successful, prosperous, a beacon of freedom to all of the world. Now compare that to what nations based upon the laws of Islamic "morality" have lead to. You see nations in poverty and ruin, nations who are scorned by the entire civilized world, nations who sponsor acts of evil around the world, oppression, sadness, etc.

To claim a moral equivalence between upholding and enforcing laws based upon Christian morality and the brutal oppression of the laws of Islam exposes you as an adherant to moral relativism and someone who is blind to that which is good and that which is evil.

71 posted on 04/22/2003 12:23:05 PM PDT by Spiff
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