Offshore outsourcing grows

The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

[A. Pole]

Communists depend on class envy, and they start with unions.

Not really. Lenin have seen trade-unionism as a dangerous competition. He did not want improvements, concessions from the owning class and self-organisation of workers. We wanted crisis, revolution and the dictatorship of the party.

You need to do some reading.

[Beck_isright]

"And the tax I hate the most is property taxes. A tax one pays to the state for the right to "technically" own property. In the truest sense, we just rent property from the state."

And you know what most people don't realize; that most major corporations pay ZERO in property taxes in reality. Many states and municipalities give a company a pass on paying the property tax to acquire the employment base. Yet if I decide to own more than one piece of property, especially if the second one is in another state, I'm penalized by having to pay a higher rate usually. I guess the First Eternal Rule shall forever be the great secret. Too bad. If people would turn off "American Idol" and actually pay attention to where their income goes, they might get upset about all the waste by the state and Federal bureaucrats.

[Beck_isright]

" I am sorry, only God is perfect."

God is an economic system of trade? That's news to me.

"You fell into the trap of free market fundamentalist cult."

You prefer socialism or modified socialism? Then perhaps you really do enjoy surrendering your freedoms to the state. You belong on DU then if so. The "cult" you refer to is the purest form of freedom; the ability to earn a living and trade labor for pay OR create goods and services and sell them. It's been around for about 10,000 years if you haven't noticed. It's only ruined when idiots decide that they need the government to manipulate the system for political purposes.

[USMMA_83]

You sir, are a 100% correct.

[USMMA_83]

Another truism. Programming is dead. If you want to program, move to India, Israel or Russia. The real deal is project management.

[USMMA_83]

I guess on every outsourcing thread, I point out that it's our education system that is to blame. At some point, we as a nation decided that an MBA is worth more than an Engineering degree. That mindset is going to cost us dearly. Kids do not want to learn math, science, etc. They want an MBA, and a "rich" lifestyle without having to learn that geekie stuff.

[USMMA_83]

Another fine rebuttal.

[AppyPappy]

That $300, if I even have it, may just go to the democrats.

And when they come for your guns and your SUV, just smile really big.

[USMMA_83]

Listen,for you those wages might be slave wages. For an Indian, his $8/hr in PPE terms is really $32/hr. Note that India is fourth in PPE term being US, Japan, China.

[AppyPappy]

I've been in IT since the days it was DP and the problem is oversupply. It was a hot field in the late 90s and a lot of people got into it that should never had been there. They were clods, stupid and made huge bucks. They had no talent for the field, they were simply a warm body.

I can't tell you how many IT people I met in the 90's who "weren't technical". We ended up with more project managers than programmers. They won't the big bucks but they can't code. They deserve to get cut loose.

[Feldkurat_Katz]

I guess on every outsourcing thread, I point out that it's our education system that is to blame. At some point, we as a nation decided that an MBA is worth more than an Engineering degree. That mindset is going to cost us dearly. Kids do not want to learn math, science, etc. They want an MBA, and a "rich" lifestyle without having to learn that geekie stuff

Unfortunately, kids are making a rational decision. I love math and science but if you want to pay mortgage or get laid a lot, MBA is the way to go.

[USMMA_83]

Yes, the market is the market - you can't put bounderies around it. That's why Boeing is doing fantastic business. It only has one real competitor. Nobody is going to buy an Indian or Chinese jet. That's why Boeing can ask for and get $100 million per jet.

[USMMA_83]

You are a NUT! There should be a safehouse for you!!

[Feldkurat_Katz]

Communists depend on class envy, and they start with unions

The way it worked historically was that rather than starting with unions, Communists tried to infiltrate exisiting unions.

Don't forget that Ronald Reagan was a union activist (in the Actors' Guild.) And AFL-CIO's president Lane Kirkland worked closely with Reagan's administration to provide financial support for Poland's Solidarity.

[USMMA_83]

Well, another insightful comment. Last year when India and Pakistan were on the edge, and India was about to destroy Pakistan, guess who stopped the war? Bush and Co. Nope, it was Bill Gates and the CEO of GE. They called the Indian prime minster, and informed him of the cost of war and cost of doing business with the US.

[YankeeReb]

I'd like to take a shot at this. De-regulate further (something we'll never live to see). Make all payroll expenses below the board level a 100% tax deductible expense. No payroll tax, no income tax liability and restricted to American citizens only. Thus there would be incentives to stay in the USA and hire American employees only. Of course, that would require imagination and cunning and neither political party has anyone with the brass ones to do anything like this.

Exactly, however make this 100% deductability apply ONLY to American citizens hired. Of course this will never happen.

I get so tired of hearing that American workers are over priced so they can't compete, this would be 1 way of leveling the playing field.

[TheRightGuy]

Do you want that heart rate monitor programmed by a guy in Bangalor making 5k a year or a guy in Boston that makes 120k a year.

It all depends -- if the guy from Boston was a recent product of our public school system, I might think twice.

[m18436572]

"Corporations are not going to pass on the savings to you."

Correct, they'll inflate their pockets with astronomical salaries... Joe consumer sees only a tiny benifit in cost reduction from the outsourcing of labor; while the CEO making the decision to ship your job overseas gets a multimillion dollar raise.

[Beck_isright]

"I get so tired of hearing that American workers are over priced so they can't compete, this would be 1 way of leveling the playing field."

I happen to concur. It's the only way to level the playing field, but it would require voting out every single existing politician in office. But it's a nice fantasy plan.

[Centurion2000]

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