Offshore outsourcing grows

The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

[A. Pole]

BTW, the favorite slogan of communists is, "Workers of the world, unite!" If that is not union, nothing is.

You are not very logical.

[TopQuark]

Citizens have moral duty to organize in defense of their group interests and in promoting common good.

My G-d you are not just from a communist country: you are still a commie! There you go folks: the power of indoctrination. A.Pole lives in this country, and still thinks in terms of group inerests (classes).

The distinction between interests that citizens have in common and group interests is central in this country: learn it, if it is now your country.

MonroeDNA: it does not look like A.Pole reads much. (s)he draws conclusions from personaly experience. In particulat, he is not familiar with the history of the communist party, although I am sure it was a required subject in his old country. You are correct: communists loved and infiltrated trade unions as a one of the first measure. It is only in the last decade of communism --- and only in Poland --- that there was apprehension of the trade unions because the unions took a separate path and became increasingly dangerous. Nothing like --- not a squeek --- was there from the unions in Russia, Ukraine, any other country. In sum: the bifurcation bwetween the two is only a Polish phenomenon, and only in the last decade before the fall. You are correct in your assessment.

[Beck_isright]

"Look for this trend to spread to the financial industry."

It already has. Ernst and Young is sending approximately 100,000 of the IRS tax returns they analyze for the IRS over to India this year after a test program last year. Check this out:

US tax returns to India causing stir

[Beck_isright]

" Second, what would YOU do to "stop" this? "

I'd like to take a shot at this. De-regulate further (something we'll never live to see). Make all payroll expenses below the board level a 100% tax deductible expense. No payroll tax, no income tax liability and restricted to American citizens only. Thus there would be incentives to stay in the USA and hire American employees only. Of course, that would require imagination and cunning and neither political party has anyone with the brass ones to do anything like this.

[Beck_isright]

" That $300, if I even have it, may just go to the democrats."

A contribution to the democrats is like throwing money to the socialists or CPUSA. Put in under your matress or give it to me before doing that.

[WRhine]

The problem here is that American managers tend to be much too focused on the immediate future, usually the next quarter. The same is tru of elected officials, who do not look beyond the next time they come up for reelection.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Ultimately the companies which succeed will do so because of innovation and eficiency. Keeping our system closed would ultimately eliminate the need to have either.

First of all, OUR SYSTEM is the most OPEN SYSTEM in the world so it's not a matter of "keeping our system closed. You better talk to the rest of the world about that because they apparently do not share our values concerning open trade.

The trade issue, like most issues, does not lend itself well to either of the extremes-- the extremes being unfettered Pure Free Trade (which we don't have btw) or Total Protectionism. Unfortunately, many Advocates of our so-called free trade policies often instantly tag anyone that utters criticisms about it as "protectionists". The implication, of course, being that such people do not believe in world trade, which I assure you is NOT the case. Such is Art of Political Warfare I guess. You know, the old technique of re-defining your opponent into the realm of "fringe" and therefore irrelevant to the debate.

Speaking for myself, the optimal position on trade is somewhere in the middle of the extremes but closer to the free trade position. But it's a mistake to embrace free trade theory like it is a some kind of religion, which has no dark side. It does. And this should be quite apparent to most by now.

[Beck_isright]

"Capitalism is a good, but not perfect, economic system. No economic system is perfect."

I disagree. Capitalism is the perfect system, when it is allowed to function. Sadly we live in a nation with hybrid capitalism where we use the federal government in an attempt to manipulate industry and commerce using the tax code and other regulations. This has created (thank you FDR) a socialist-captialist system which has grown since 1932 and made us more like the Eurocommies we criticize here every day.

Thus I take exception. Our current semi-capitalist system in America is not perfect. If left alone with limited intervention, it would function quite well, thank you.

[MonroeDNA]

Wow, you know your stuff!

Yes, Poland was an anomalie. And we welcomed the capitalism they now enjoy.
Communists depend on class envy, and they start with unions.

Their tactics have not changed.

[MonroeDNA]

"BTW, the favorite slogan of communists is, "Workers of the world, unite!" If that is not union, nothing is."

"That is not very logical."

Why? Not the same slogan?

[MonroeDNA]

You are right.

[Beck_isright]

All my posts, or just the last one, LOL? I'd like to think that since I'm semi-retired and work as I please, I can be right more often now than before, and when wrong charge the clients $120 per hour.

[nanny]

You forgot your last name, nanny. That would be, "state."

Cute - not original, though.

Refute the statement, or try to - silly remarks are really - well - silly.

Did I say anything about the government? I did not. All I said was everyone claims they just love all these cheap prices, but so far there are no cheap prices - even at the check out stand.

Well, now there is all that cheap plastic Chinese geegaws, if that is your taste - but I was assuming most people's taste ran to better things.

So come on - more silly remarks or some facts here. Tell me why labor has been reduced from $15 to $1 an hour and the prices stay the same. No one likes to be taken - but you can't deny it - Come on now.

[nanny]

Corporations, for the most part, pay very little taxes.

I have one, I know.

I truly do not know - but could you expound on that? I mean we have heard the reasons corporations are going overseas is because they are being taxed to death. I have never argued differently because I truly don't know.

[Beck_isright]

Sigh. One more time for everyone on this thread:

Corporations do not pay taxes.

The taxes and fees are calculated into the cost of whatever goods or services are being provided. This is preventing the price benefits of efficiencies in American made goods from getting to the market because the morons we keep sending to DC add more taxes, fees (yes, those are taxes) and regulations which keep the price of those goods from declining in real dollars.

[WRhine]

Corporations do not pay taxes.

You are absolutely right! By taxing corporations/businesses, government hides the TRUE level of taxation it exacts on us. The business sector merely takes the tax that the feds and states levy on it including those insidious regulatory "mandates" and passes it on to the consumers in the form of higher prices. I am always amazed how the republicans roll over on this one, especially when the democrats talk about taxing those greedy corporations. Seems that no one in Washington wants to set the record straight about the sham of taxing business. I guess if more people knew they might rightfully ask for more tax cuts.

[Beck_isright]

It will never happen. The First Eternal Rule of Truth, that corporations never pay taxes, will be ignored by 95% of the masses forever. That 5% that figure this out will always be the wealthiest. If people looked at the hidden taxes (regulations and "fees") that businesses pay to run their operations in addition to all of the other taxes, they might figure out that their real tax rate is closer to the 60-65%, much like the Eurocommies we make fun of all the time.

If you really want to prove your point, ask anyone what the real price of a gallon of regular unleaded costs.

[PuNcH]

We are simply paying for the mistakes of the past.

No we are redistributing our wealth to unequal societies with lower standards and cheap labor. As long as our standards our unequal we will not be able to compete. Either ours will go down or we will PAY for theirs to come up. But why should a country that uses slave labor for instance bring their standards up to our level?

[WRhine]

If people looked at the hidden taxes (regulations and "fees") that businesses pay to run their operations in addition to all of the other taxes, they might figure out that their real tax rate is closer to the 60-65%, much like the Eurocommies we make fun of all the time.

Yep. I've tired explaining this to a lot of people over the years and most folks simply do not understand or care what their Combined TOTAL RATE of taxation is (fed, state, local--direct, indirect). It is in the 60-65% range for most employed people...even more in some cases. And the tax I hate the most is property taxes. A tax one pays to the state for the right to "technically" own property. In the truest sense, we just rent property from the state.

[Taxman]

No doubt.

If there were no corporate income tax, how would you change the way you manage your company's affairs?

My guess is you would find more productive uses for your profits, rather than devoting time, effort and financial resources to minimizing your tax bill.

Just a SWAG, of course.

[A. Pole]

Capitalism is the perfect system, when it is allowed to function.

I am sorry, only God is perfect. You fell into the trap of free market fundamentalist cult.