[steve-b]

Grinding their noses in their shame only lessens the possibility that they can ever be converted to become friendly as a nation to us.

On the contrary -- these people have to "hit bottom" before they'll give up their illusions.

Or they have to die. Whichever; it's entirely up to them.

[nightdriver]

"On the contrary -- these people have to "hit bottom" before they'll give up their illusions."

I can see your point, but that means that the war really is against islam, just as I have been afraid of from the first.